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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Inside the secret world of incels

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BlooperReel · 28/08/2019 15:13

Watching on catch up, has anyone else seen this?

It's a very disturbing insight into the incel 'communities', the deep rooted hatred of females is palpable, and it is all sexually motivated, all because women either have rejected them sexually or have no interest in them.

They have mothers, sisters for some etc, what has gone so wrong?

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BlooperReel · 28/08/2019 15:19

Oh there is one guy stating he is an incel but seems much kinder, he is not projecting his hatred on to women. He seems to shun the typically misogynist incel communities. He seems very lonely and depressed though, I feel for him.

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Dervel · 28/08/2019 16:06

Look I’ve had the odd incel friend and it comes down to the fact they aren’t performing masculinity well enough. There are some who are fixable with a little support to build their self confidence, and they tend to be the more neurotic type who blame themselves for their circumstances. There is another more personality disordered type who have the same lack of self esteem/ confidence but they place the blame externally, in this case women for not picking them.

I think a lot can be said if men were a little kinder to other men. There is a lot of solid information and advice these men need to hear, but unfortunately they get hoovered up into so called pua and manosphere communities that actually usually exploit them all the more.

They need to realise the world does not owe them a girlfriend or wife, but they can find meaningful connections with women if they are willing to put in some work on themselves the first step of course is self love of the non-narcissistic variety.

Jesaminecollins · 28/08/2019 16:08

I watched the BBC documentary and thought what a pathetic bunch of losers! They need to take a long hard look at themselves and then perhaps they might see why women find them so unattractive.

BlooperReel · 28/08/2019 16:36

It was quite worrying to see the level of idolatry leveled toward Elliott Rodger, how easily they slip from 'loser' to dangerous violent fanatic.

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ThePankhurstConnection · 28/08/2019 17:10

Look I’ve had the odd incel friend and it comes down to the fact they aren’t performing masculinity well enough. There are some who are fixable with a little support to build their self confidence, and they tend to be the more neurotic type who blame themselves for their circumstances. There is another more personality disordered type who have the same lack of self esteem/ confidence but they place the blame externally, in this case women for not picking them.

While that may be the case for your friends the manosphere and incel spaces on the internet show it isn't just a lack of self-esteem or performative masculinity. It is, as you say in your second paragraph a sense of entitlement too. It seems to me from reading that it isn't just that they want a woman to pay attention to them or show them love they want a woman they can show off, a woman other people want, like a trophy to be displayed. They don't want a fat woman who is pretty and sweet or a thin woman who has small boobs they think they are entitled to something perfect and they routinely belittle women who do not come up to their standard (and we are talking about appearance here, I doubt many of them even consider personality). The way they speak about women online is toxic - and frankly I'm glad that some of them get nowhere near a woman because the way they speak about them is dangerous and it can be as if we women are barely human, just props in their life.

Ideas like state provided prostitutes, the lauding of Eliot Rodger as their incel king, the talk of violence and dehumanising language prevent me from feeling sorry for them. Perhaps if they put some effort into actually seeing women as people with feelings and not fuck toys I'd feel some empathy - but I've seen too much of what they really think onlline.

Richard2478 · 29/08/2019 08:07

I was going to be in this documentary.

penelopepitstop1234 · 29/08/2019 08:19

@ThePankhurstConnection

I felt very much the same watching. They don't just want a girlfriend, they want a stream of super hot models to stick their dicks in. They blame women for being shallow and only going for "Chad's" but can't seem to understand that they are being shallow only wanting Barbie types and superficial relationships.

They don't see women as people, more like a prize, pet, toy.

The guy that was catfishing women and then meeting them to shout at them was very weird. Although the part where they were posing as models and telling women that they were child abusers - but still getting dates, made my stomach turn.

penelopepitstop1234 · 29/08/2019 08:21

@Richard2478

Really? Are you going to enlighten us horrible women on the world of incels.

HumberElla · 29/08/2019 08:21

How so Richard ?

Richard2478 · 29/08/2019 08:54

I'm an incel the bbc contacted me through a friend. They shot some footage in my house, and my disabled centre also of me walking around my area. They bought has lunch.

sawdustformypony · 29/08/2019 09:13

Are you going to enlighten us horrible women on the world of incels.

I do love a leading question.

Richard2478 · 29/08/2019 09:35

I don't like women as a group. I find it difficult to talk to people at times. I have women friends.

TemporaryPermanent · 29/08/2019 09:36

Hi Richard, what made you feel you were an incel, as in using that name?

Richard2478 · 29/08/2019 09:36

There will be an interview soon about the experience with the two people that did the documentary.

ThePankhurstConnection · 29/08/2019 09:38

I don't like women as a group.

Why?

Richard2478 · 29/08/2019 09:43

I just don't like women as a group I like women on a one on one basis.

BlooperReel · 29/08/2019 09:47

@Richard2478 have you always felt this way, or has a specific experience led to you feeling this way?

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sawdustformypony · 29/08/2019 09:48

I just don't like women as a group I like women on a one on one basis

I genuinely don't understand that. Aren't women merely a collection of 'a woman' on a one-to-one basis. I'm a man btw - just thinking about your above response.

Richard2478 · 29/08/2019 09:52

I get along with women easily. Most incels have been abused by women for most their life. Mostly by the mother. And most have are learning disabled.

sawdustformypony · 29/08/2019 09:58

Most incels have been abused by women for most their life. Mostly by the mother. And most have are learning disabled.

How do you know these ?

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 29/08/2019 09:58

Most are learning disabled? Really?

I do not get that impression from incels at all. Most come across as ordinary, not especially unattractive physically, men who are wallowing in self pity at the encouragement of the group.

Get out of your echo chamber and stop blaming others for your own short comings.

Richard2478 · 29/08/2019 10:05

I have learning disabled and have difficulties. Some have autism as well, most have no social skills. That leads to isolation.

Richard2478 · 29/08/2019 10:06

I'm okay with my lot in life it's not much but I'm okay with it.

sawdustformypony · 29/08/2019 10:07

Tsk Arnold, abusive posts are rarely conducive to an open discussion.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 29/08/2019 10:09

most have no social skills. That leads to isolation.

So go find a course that teaches you social skills. Your shortcomings are not women's fault or women's problem.

We may be mothers but we are not your mother. Your educational needs are no more the problem of women who don't know you and aren't specialists in the filed than the educational needs of a random man who isn't much good at maths.