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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jolyon Maugham QC comes out as a misogynist on Twitter

250 replies

AlessandraAsteriti · 23/08/2019 15:02

After posting this tone-deaf tweet, Maugham doubles down when asked by women to consider fairness and safety of female rugby players. What can make an adult, intelligent person pretend they do not understand the difference between females and males anymore?

Jolyon Maugham QC comes out as a misogynist on Twitter
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TheInebriati · 25/08/2019 12:53

I suspect it will have to take a death or very serious injury on the pitch (think broken neck or similar) for people to even accept that maybe it’s not a great idea to allow men to play a violent contact sport with women.
I disagree, the first serious injury is going to be met with 'this is why women don't belong on the pitch'.

I think what we are seeing is men acting out the belief that they are the default human, and that women have no business in men's spaces.

We seem to be seeing that message a lot recently.

RedToothBrush · 25/08/2019 15:31

Someone I know worked for a law firm of some status. Whilst they have swallowed the kool aid there was also opposition to it, and comments were invited on a legal basis because there was clearly so much opposition to what was going on from (mainly female) staff. There was also a team charity sporting event where some of the male staff self Ided as women for it quite openly. They detransistioned very quickly afterwards. It was almost as if they were making a point...

I do not believe for one second that if Maugham had one single backbone in his body he couldn't make a legal argument to say that he wasn't a) able to hold a gender critical view legally b) that this was fair in the workplace and to prevent it was unlawful c) there are valid legal reasons why self ID is problematic d) women only space based on biology were legitimate and quite right protected in law for good reason.

Maugham chooses not to because he a) wants an easy life b) cares more about his own status and image than rights or principles c) doesn't really give a shit about women.

There ARE women (and men) in large prestigious law firm who are raising their heads above the parapet on this. Both quietly and not so quietly.

Maugham is a not just a lawyer though is he? He's a social mmmmeddiiaaaaaa celeb and lawyer dahhhlling. Image is important.

Maugham has absolutely no spine. To say he is trying to engage and is exposing himself is laughable. Totally laughable.

My sides are aching with how laughable his poor woe is me and im such a white knight and you should all be grateful drivel is.

TheBigBallOfOil · 25/08/2019 15:37

As a member of the legal profession who instructs barristers, I would say he is damaging his legal career with this, especially given his area of specialism. Not just because he looks silly, petulant and juvenile (although he does). His behaviour lacks discretion. If I’m looking for advice on tax or other, broadly speaking, commercial issues, i do not want a publicity seeker. I want discreet, competent, effective.
I assume he is finding law unprofitable or dull and desires some kind of political/ media role.

RedToothBrush · 25/08/2019 15:40

Or he just has a ego he can't control...

RedToothBrush · 25/08/2019 15:43

Hey look at this:

Simon Edge @simonjedge
For me, this whole issue is a real eye-opener as to how men who think of themselves as nice guys treat women. It seems he has blocked loads of you. I've also interacted with him critically, and he hasn't blocked me. That speaks volumes – and plenty of us really can see that now.

TheBigBallOfOil · 25/08/2019 15:48

Women are not here to disagree. We are here to provide uncritical admiration.
Corbyn displays the same beliefs. Watch his horrible little face contort when kuensberg gives him a good tousling. Something very unnatural and disgusting is happening to him and he cannot conceal his rage and distaste.

RosaWaiting · 25/08/2019 15:52

Red thanks for the story about the law firm

I'm kind of at that point of exploding with rage and worrying about my blood pressure now!

JM reminds me of something, possibly, that a stupid woke bloke once told me. he said "the reason you don't have to worry about transwomen is that the type of man who wants to transition is not an alpha male and not the type of man who wants to harm women".

he got the whole Schroedinger's rapist thing, but not this Confused

JM has an agent for his other work. I daresay he doesn't plan on being a tax lawyer forever.

LangCleg · 25/08/2019 16:06

Oh goddes, Red, that is so it. He actually does think women should be grateful for drivel if it's drivel coming from him!

Michelleoftheresistance · 25/08/2019 16:36

Well done Simon. Gin

zebrasdontwearbras · 25/08/2019 18:39

I like the look of Simon Edge very much, from his twitter feed. Might take a look at this books.

See guys, being supportive of women pays off Grin

Jolyon, please go away, stop muscling in on women's issues to score woke points, and stop blocking women on twitter, you horrible sexist twat.

PrimalLass · 25/08/2019 19:17

I bet he's eyeing up a career in politics.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/08/2019 19:20

What, watching through binoculars as they disappear over the horizon?

RedToothBrush · 25/08/2019 19:34

I bet he's eyeing up a career in politics.

Well if he wants to stand for the LDs or Labour I guess he's towing the party line.

Waiting for Corbyn to quit before rejoining Labour?

salty78 · 25/08/2019 20:21

I peak-transed a long time ago but much as I think JM was misguided to not only refer to this bizarre BBC article in the way that he did but defend himself in a rather pompous manner, I can't help but admire a lot of the work he has been doing with the Good Law Project. He is using his skills to defend the rule of law, a guiding light for society particularly given the increasingly confused arguments at the moment over what political behaviour is and isn't democratic.

He didn't shine the best light on it with his twitter feed but the fact is that he has done a lot of work that supports women's rights. There are a lot of men who use their profession skills to improve the lives of women. Sorry but I do find some of this criticism of him I'll-informed and unnecessarily personal.

The PP who said he overstepped the mark with this professionally is right though, whatever his motives - for a practising lawyer, getting into any kind of public political argument risks integrity, particularly for a lawyer that is supposed to be making it his cause to defend the impartiality of the law.

RosaWaiting · 25/08/2019 20:35

“He didn't shine the best light on it with his twitter feed but the fact is that he has done a lot of work that supports women's rights”

I don’t pretend to know what work he has done, but if he doesn’t have a dictionary definition of woman, he’s not doing well.

Also, the way he presented that BBC article speaks volumes.

AlessandraAsteriti · 25/08/2019 20:37

The problem is he seems to be using women as silent victims whom he can help to bolster his image of the good guy, but god forbid any woman dares to disagree with him, the ungrateful bitch. Then it is public condemnation followed by silencing. And really I have dealt with lots of QCs and their arrogance is off the scale sometimes, especially, but not always, the male ones. My favourite was the QC who applied for a judicial position for which 40 candidates were chosen for interview, and he was not, and he called to complain that there could not be 40 people better than he was in the country.

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LangCleg · 25/08/2019 22:30

He didn't shine the best light on it with his twitter feed but the fact is that he has done a lot of work that supports women's rights.

No. He has done some work supporting limited women's rights. Any women who want existing rights preserved when males he feels sorry for want in? He's quite happy to remove those rights. And women's physical safety to boot.

He can fuck the fuck off to the far side of fuck.

The extent of my rights aren't for him to decide.

HotChocWithCream · 25/08/2019 22:40

Argh! Stop the world...I want to get off!

I’m so disgusted by the likes of JY and now men taking over women’s sports.

Why are people supporting the fictional belief that TWAW?

OldCrone · 25/08/2019 22:56

he has done a lot of work that supports women's rights.

How can he support women's rights if he doesn't know what a woman is?

Popchyk · 25/08/2019 22:58

It is the loftiness of his condescension while simultaneously not being able to answer a single question that gets me.

He's talked about this subject a few times on Twitter. Shaking his head about the "tone of debate" and the importance of "inclusion" for male people in women's spaces. He never talks about transmen and how men like Jolyon can be inclusive to them in men's spaces. That's because they are female and frankly do not exist in JM's world.

His focus is solely on male people who claim to be women. Because to JM, they are the only transgender people who have any humanity worth going to bat for.

JM says that there are very rare conflicting rights but has never been able to articulate what those conflicting rights actually are. And how they may be balanced.

I'd have a lot more respect for him if he could put together an argument.

But here we have a QC who cannot put together an argument in favour of allowing some men into single sex female spaces. Because he knows he'd be exposed in a matter of minutes due to the incoherent nature of transgender ideology.

So he chides women to be nice instead.

JM: "I am the voice of reason in this debate"
Women on Twitter: "Could you answer just one simple question? What about the safety of women?"
JM: "Can't believe you are smearing me. After all I've done for you people".

He has absolutely zero insight into his own part in this debate.

OldCrone · 25/08/2019 23:05

He never talks about transmen and how men like Jolyon can be inclusive to them in men's spaces.

It would be even better if he talked about being inclusive towards feminine-presenting men in male spaces.

littlbrowndog · 25/08/2019 23:30

The privileged male guy can’t belive the cheeky women don’t think that think he is he is all that

For so many years he has had all the privilege and yet the women dare to talk back

Been in his own wee bubble of privilege and now he is bewildered that we don’t appreciate all his work for us erm pleb people

bettybeans · 26/08/2019 00:08

It's astonishing that he seems to think his record should be enough to earn him a pass on comments like that. He's actually angry that women won't concede or defer to him on that basis. The doubling down and tone policing bollocks almost annoyed me more than the simpering tweet he posted in the first place.

CarolDanvers · 26/08/2019 02:46

Capn cycle pants has just tweeted that ‘it’s okay to be happy and even celebrate when someone bad dies’. No words. Not sure what it’s in reference to but sounds pretty ghoulish.

That'll be David Koch.

Don't know if this has been clarified previously on this thread but isn't. I'm not going to say who they're talking about as but it can be found on Twitter. He is a vile inhuman POS. Even our dear friend Dr Haddock has spoken up against it.

Floisme · 26/08/2019 06:00

Doing good work does not give you a free pass.
All Jolyon Maugham had to do when he was first challenged was to say, ‘Oh I see - I hadn’t thought of it like that.’ He could still do it, even now. As far as I’m concerned, the fact that he did exactly that when he incurred the wrath of TRAs but wouldn’t do it when it was women leading the challenge says it all.