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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jolyon Maugham QC comes out as a misogynist on Twitter

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AlessandraAsteriti · 23/08/2019 15:02

After posting this tone-deaf tweet, Maugham doubles down when asked by women to consider fairness and safety of female rugby players. What can make an adult, intelligent person pretend they do not understand the difference between females and males anymore?

Jolyon Maugham QC comes out as a misogynist on Twitter
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merrymouse · 03/11/2019 15:48

There's a need for great care when arguing for the need to protect 'safe spaces'. To contend 'X, member of group, is a criminal and so you should fear all in that group' is to adopt a trope favoured by bigots down the ages.

Confused In the case of prison, the people we are concerned about have literally been convicted of crimes.

Ereshkigal · 03/11/2019 15:58

He is ridiculous on this - Bleating on about being attacked about it and doing sad face about women just not understanding the arguments and he’s not here to stir up arguments

He does this every single time.

merrymouse · 03/11/2019 16:09

The Karen White case does not demonstrate that all trans people are violent paedophiles.

It demonstrates that violent paedohiles are successfully using the GRA to gain access to women.

HumberHellraiser · 03/11/2019 16:21

To contend 'X, member of group, is a criminal and so you should fear all in that group' is to adopt a trope favoured by bigots down the ages

Easily proven to be nonsense by the fact that we have DBS checks for all adults who work with children.

NAAALT but we put protections in place for the vulnerable, not the well behaved majority.

Fool.

Coyoacan · 03/11/2019 16:41

I remember one Twitter thread of his, where he acted as any women's comment was invisible to him and only responded when a man said something

zebrasdontwearbras · 03/11/2019 17:02

I'm heartily sick of men like Jolyon happily waving away our rights to our own spaces and privacy, and calling concerned women "bigots" - really, just so damn sick of it.

How dare he preach to Jean like this?

He says: The Equality Act (and the very provision Jean cites) talks of "proportionate" measures to achieve "legitimate" aims.

A "legitimate aim" would include preventing more Karen White cases, would it not?

nauticant · 03/11/2019 19:17

Recently trans activists have been claiming that the parts of the EA 2010 dealing with exceptions, for example:

Gender reassignment

28(1)A person does not contravene section 29, so far as relating to gender reassignment discrimination, only because of anything done in relation to a matter within sub-paragraph (2) if the conduct in question is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

can only apply individual-by-individual and there needs to be a judicial or quasi-judicial process in order for a company, institution, etc to apply an exception in the case of a particular individual. Does anyone know whether this interpretation has any real world basis? Or is this just yet another example of trans activists believing that if they say something is true, this causes it to be true?

Pepvixen · 19/12/2019 16:50

Now he's sad about JK Rowling's tweet:

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1207699450279399425

TiredofthisBS · 19/12/2019 17:00

Jog on, Jolyon.

WomenAreFemale · 19/12/2019 17:04

I’m sad about Jolyon’s tweet.

RoyalCorgi · 19/12/2019 17:05

Ah, Jolyon. How sad it must be for the person he loves to be told that they can't change their biological sex.

He then says:

"It is not about Maya's right to hold a belief. It is about whether Maya has a right to articulate that belief to her colleagues, a belief hurtful to them, and have that conduct protected by law."

Now the first sentence is true. But the next sentences are extraordinary. My understanding is that Maya didn't articulate the belief to her colleagues - she simply tweeted it. But the idea that the belief is "hurtful" to them is the bit that is truly crazy. Because how can a belief that it is not possible to change sex be hurtful to anyone sane? I believe the earth is round. If I work with a lot of people who believe it is flat, is it "hurtful" to them if I say that it is round? Are we really to say that that belief can't be protected in law?

To put it another way, why is Jolyon Maugham using the logic of a not very bright teenager rather than the middle-aged lawyer he actually is?

SonEtLumiere · 19/12/2019 17:12

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GCAcademic · 19/12/2019 17:13

Maugham's brain is addled with misogyny. And by the crushing disappointment (frequently expressed) that women just won't do and say what he wants.

ArranUpsideDown · 19/12/2019 17:25

At this point it feels unnecessary for Jolyon Maugham or Adam Wagner to speak as their words are so predictably exclusive of the recognition of women as a class or the need for protection.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 19/12/2019 17:28

Jolyon worked with Joanna Cherry on the Brexit court stuff, didn't he?

Wow.

She's gone even higher in my esteem. How could she STAND it?

BickerinBrattle · 19/12/2019 17:39

A man’s insistence that women must be kind to TW is directly proportional to that man’s level of castration anxiety.

In his eyes, what could be more full of pathos than a male who renounces manhood?

At all costs (to be borne by women who offend with obstreperousness) that unfathomable unmanned male must be protected — and in NO circumstances can such a male be regarded as a man, because what then is a man, particularly a man of language and law, which in Lacanian terms = the power of the phallic?

RoyalCorgi · 19/12/2019 17:44

Maugham's brain is addled with misogyny. And by the crushing disappointment (frequently expressed) that women just won't do and say what he wants.

You see this in all the high-profile TRAs - people like Owen Jones, Peter Tatchell and so on. They are utterly incredulous that women won't just do as they're told.

Poota · 19/12/2019 17:59
RoyalCorgi · 19/12/2019 18:48

One thing I've never understood about Jolyon and all the rest is this.

Do they object to us holding the belief that it's not possible to change sex? Or just to us expressing it?

In other words, is he demanding that women agree to start believing something they know isn't true, or does he just want us to pretend that we believe it?

youllhavehadyourtea · 19/12/2019 18:50

I don't think they care what we wimminz think.

They just want us to shut up.

Notwiththeseknees · 19/12/2019 18:58

Wonder if he wrote that in his frillies? Give it a couple of years... Xmas Hmm

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 19/12/2019 20:58

Do they object to us holding the belief that it's not possible to change sex? Or just to us expressing it?

Definitely the expressing it. Jolyon knows full and well people can't change sex. He knows full and well transwomen are men. It's this latter knowledge that disturbs him. The idea that there are men who are actively repulsed by their own penises causes him such anxiety that he desperately tries to surpress the knowledge that it is so. Hence his attacks on women who have no problem accepting and openly stating the fact of men who hate their penises being men. We shatter his little bubble of protection.

Forgotthebins · 19/12/2019 21:01

He blocked her on Twitter ages ago so what makes him think he knows what she talks about? He's just taking pleasure sticking the knife in with a lie that she was transphobic at work, which is not what happened. What a bully he is.

EwwSprouts · 19/12/2019 22:09

I'm sad he's not very bright & trying to spin it.

LangCleg · 19/12/2019 22:37

A man’s insistence that women must be kind to TW is directly proportional to that man’s level of castration anxiety.

This! I recommend heartily laughing at the anxious penis.

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