Jolyon Maugham QC comes out as a misogynist on Twitter

[AlessandraAsteriti]

After posting this tone-deaf tweet, Maugham doubles down when asked by women to consider fairness and safety of female rugby players. What can make an adult, intelligent person pretend they do not understand the difference between females and males anymore?

Status and power. Status and power

What matters to Maugham.

Not women.

All his stuff about standing up for women is optics for HIS status not for womens rights.

Status and power

Yeah the barrister thing is untrue. Only a small number make QC and it’s exceptionally difficult and you need to be at the top of your game. Also, 15 years is about the earliest you can hope to get it. Many have to wait 20 years or more. So Jolyon is obviously at the top of his tax law game and nobody is doubting his intelligence. The problem is that his woke performativity to try to protect himself is harming women.

Interestingly I have tried to engage with him on his twitter thread. I'm anonymous and he's ignored me.

I actually know him in RL. I'll bide my time there

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1165297847689891840

I desperately want someone to ask him his view on having to address trans people charged with any sex crime by their preferred pronouns in court and where he thinks transitioning convicted rapists should be housed.

Hadley is dispensable to Maugham whereas as Joyce isn't because she holds value and status which Maugham needs and respects.

Great point - I'd noticed he was showing greater deference to Helen Joyce but hadn't thought through why that might be. Thanks Red.

@LoveGrowsWhere

Both the judiciary and the bar have been told very clearly that individuals must be referred to by their preferred pronouns. Dissent will lead to sanction.

Pegasus Noted but which individuals came to that collective wisdom? Who sat round the learned table? I explicitly said people charged with sex crimes thinking of the impact on victims.

JM admirably supports more cases getting to court. My view is that what happens at court needs to be as respectful to the victim.

If JM supports TW in women's sport does he also support housing TW in the women's estate?

I suspect it will have to take a death or very serious injury on the pitch (think broken neck or similar)

I suspect even that would have little effect.
'These things happen in rugby' will be the cry.

Me: Good! God, look at women's sport now. Did you see Falon Fox beating the hell out of that woman...? She fractured her skull.
Male friend: It's par for the course in MMA, everyone comes out with injuries like that.

OhLeaveMeBe4GS your friend clearly knows nothing of MMA, a sport I've followed since its inception in the 90s. Many MMA bouts are settled with barely a punch being thrown, and any expert would tell you the most important skill in MMA is wrestling, not boxing.

As for Jolyon Maughn, he may be an expert in tax law but he clearly doesn't have the first clue about sport or biology so I'll be filing him under 'thick as two short planks and a coward to boot'.

RedToothBrush certainly has a point about his quest for status and power but ultimately he lacks both in comparison to those sports stars he so clearly considers 'beneath' him. It's as if he's been waiting all his days to get one over the 'jocks' from high school and as he will never be idolised like them he's settling for sneering at sports women instead.

Pathetic.

I suspect it will have to take a death or very serious injury on the pitch (think broken neck or similar)

I think it will be a child. If it's allowed in women's rugby then the premise also collapses in girls rugby. A teen transitioner will challenge for a place on the team and there will be no officially supported way to say no.

Hadley is dispensable to Maugham whereas as Joyce isn't because she holds value and status which Maugham needs and respects.

Clever Red, being clever.

(Cleverer than Jolyon!)

@LoveGrowsWhere dictated by the government.

The CPS were perpetuating the blue brain pink brain nonsense a couple of years ago. I wrote to them and didn't get a response.

"Am not going to spend my holiday rowing about it..... " (aka actually engaging in any of the substantive points with uppity women)

..... but I will spend my holiday writing a six part thread of all my wonderful achievements as a champion of the rights of deserving and suitably grateful women

Here, we see Jolyon's motivations:

twitter.com/mrsSkys/status/1165340272680689664

The UK's biggest feminist charity would be Fawcett which is trans inclusive & supports self-ID. His chambers takes on gender reassignment discrimination cases. He says his stance against self-ID and shortlists led to calls for him to be removed from positions.

He needs to toe the line to protect his professional position. Having put his head above the parapet once he's taking opposite positions now to protect himself.

Pegasus Thanks.

He is wrong about his opposition to self-ID for women only shortlists.

He initially said he would financially support Jennifer James' legal action which was to uphold all women shortlists in Labour to female-only.

The TRAs piled on and he immediately folded (like a deckchair) and asked for a refund.

Which he then gave to Mermaids.

So quite how Jolyon giving money to Mermaids is opposing self-ID in AWS is something only Jolyon can explain.

I think his trouble is he’s not arguing, or indeed thinking, like a lawyer. He’s arguing like a petulant twat.

^^

he's always been an arse

the thing that gets me most about this - I have a sense the same people who go nuts when they hear a man shouting at his girlfriend and fear violence is happening - well, let the man self ID as a woman or take hormones for 18 months and it's all fine. WTF.

I think it will be a child. If it's allowed in women's rugby then the premise also collapses in girls rugby. A teen transitioner will challenge for a place on the team and there will be no officially supported way to say no.

World Rugby says this about mixed sex teams:
Best practise is for participation in mixed gender teams to be permitted only up until the end of the season (including the following off-season) in which the player turns 12 years of age.
playerwelfare.worldrugby.org/?documentid=117

Welsh rugby says this:
Transsexual female (male‐to‐female transsexual person) aged 13, 14 or 15, post‐puberty: May compete in any female domestic competition subject to age eligibility and subject to an individual case‐by‐case review undertaken by the WRU

In the current climate it would be very hard for them to say no to a boy who declared himself a girl and wanted to play in the girls' team.

I think his trouble is he’s not arguing, or indeed thinking, like a lawyer. He’s arguing like a petulant twat.

Indeed. So far he seems to have made only two arguments. One is that his opponents are being mean and horrid and 'absolutist'. The other is an appeal to his own record as a supporter of women's rights.

He hasn't once tried to make a rational argument for allowing this person in the rugby team. For someone whose living depends on being able to argue a case convincingly that is odd, is it not?

My best guess is he hasn't tried, because he can't. He knows that he is defending an entirely irrational position. And all he can do is hit out at anyone who points this out.

My teens play rugby. One boy one girl. The girl is older and currently taller and heavier. But DS is strong. Much stronger than DD and in fact me.

DS is a good player. The first time I watched him, as a 12 yr old, play county rugby, I cried. It was brutal. Boys slamming into each other, bodies folding, heads cracking.

Boys lined the pitch as they were felled, limping off winded and bloodied. Tearful.

I imagine that scenario with a boy on the girls team. It's terrifying. If faced with it I wouldn't allow her to play. I couldn't. But more terrifying is what she would face. The judgment and the calls of bigotry and I know she'd sooner put herself in harms way than face the inevitable level of hostility and exclusion that would follow.

When TRAs argue with Jolyon Maugham on Twitter he retracts and recants.

When women argue with Jolyon Maugham on Twitter he spends two days (this will be the third I think) digging in and doubling down.

Yes, it's almost like he does actually know how to identify a woman. Funny that.

Or with several boys on girls' teams.

The more I think about it, the more I agree with Hadley that Helen Joyce's point two is correct, namely that JM has a "deep unquestioned assumption that women are supporting actresses in male lives, nothing more".