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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

McKinnon

138 replies

Kit19 · 21/08/2019 11:27

Wonder why bicycle mag have brought this back again

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GirlDownUnder · 21/08/2019 13:43

Kit your links not clicky, so there’s no context to your post.

Maybe add a clicky link and some more details and you’ll get more response.

LoveGrowsWhere · 21/08/2019 13:49

The article linked is dated 4 Jan 2019. What makes you think it's been brought up again?

Popchyk · 21/08/2019 14:27

The Bicycling Magazine twitter account retweeted it again yesterday:

twitter.com/BicyclingMag/status/1163873380912775170

"rachelvmckinnon is going to continue racing—doing what she loves to do, which she has a right to do—no matter what internet commenters or competitors say".

Comments on Twitter are robust.

GirlDownUnder · 21/08/2019 14:29

Comments on Twitter are robust.

Good!

And if the news makes it to Spinster it’ll be even more frank.

andyoldlabour · 21/08/2019 14:55

"Comments on Twitter are robust."

Excellent, good to see pronouns being thrown out the window. People are becoming more aware, but it needs petitions to the governing bodies to make a real change.

Michelleoftheresistance · 21/08/2019 15:14

No one's questioning McKinnon's right to race, it's a question of the 'right' to take up a space in an alternative sex grouping that McKinnon does not belong to. Because McKinnon wants to. Without McKinnon owning the biology that defines that sex class which renders it an unfair competition. In McKinnon's favour. Which spits on the 'rights' of every actual member of that sex class.

Nice spin, shame about the facts.

DarkNoise · 21/08/2019 17:27

McKinnon is a cheat.

DarkNoise · 21/08/2019 17:29

I am sitting here debating with myself if I dislike more Boris Johnson or McKinnon... oh, it's a close thing...

Babdoc · 21/08/2019 18:03

Could we persuade an elite male cycling club to enter all its members in a high profile women’s race, claiming that they identify as women for the day? And ensure max publicity when they take all three podium places, to really spotlight how awful this destruction of women’s sport is?

FormerMediocreMale · 21/08/2019 18:56

Cheaters are gonns cheat

GirlDownUnder · 21/08/2019 23:59

Babdoc it’s already here, but not in a way that will make you smile.

Foxy Moxy Racing

foxymoxyracing.com/

“We are Foxy Moxy, a cycling club and racing team focused on promoting trans- and gender non-conforming inclusive sport, through positive and unapologetic visibility in competitive and recreational cycling. We embrace and embody the spirit of foxes: intelligent, strategic, social, fast, and fierce.

We promote radical inclusivity in competitive sport for people of all gender identities and expressions. We aim to do this by focusing on developing an elite women/trans/femme (WTF) road, criterium and time trial race team, and a broader development/club level team. ... Crucially, we welcome all riders and all cycling disciplines. We particularly welcome cisgender allies and other woodland creatures to ride and race alongside us as part of the team.”

There are team pictures too.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 22/08/2019 00:15

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GirlDownUnder · 22/08/2019 00:41

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo

Oh RMcK gets way more attention on KF - there’s a whole thread that’s 179 pages long. They know RMcK reads it, as we know RMcK reads here.

Funnily enough RMcK only ever seems to quote or ‘mock’ stuff from MN. A predominately woman based site. Odd that.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 22/08/2019 01:05

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terfsandwich · 22/08/2019 04:51

They missed out on "predatory" in that description of the fox.

DarkNoise · 22/08/2019 06:18

Are we allowed to use pronouns we feel appropriate for a burly, hefty individual, double the size and muscular mass, and of clearly different body shape than the women cyclists? Because I do not feel uncomfortable identifying such individual with "she/hers".

DarkNoise · 22/08/2019 06:18
  • do not feel comfortable - gah, it's still early!!!
GirlDownUnder · 22/08/2019 08:11

Are we allowed to use pronouns we feel appropriate

Having read Oncewasblueandyellowtwos posts, I’d say they’ve been deleted for misgendering, s’why I never properly quoted in my reply and why I use RMcK.

Apart from the incorrect pronouns, nothing Once said was ‘controversial’. It sucks.

2BthatUnnoticed · 22/08/2019 08:20

Flowers 🚵🏻‍♂️ once

OldCrone · 22/08/2019 08:29

There's a link to this article on the twitter thread.
www.annelawrence.com/shame_&_narcissistic_rage.pdf

Juells · 22/08/2019 09:19

We aim to do this by focusing on developing an elite women/trans/femme ( WTF )

Shurely shome mishtake

WTF? Is this a wind-up?

Ameanstreakamilewide · 22/08/2019 09:23

Hmm, 'Foxy'...🤔

Is there a furry alter ego I'm not aware of?

Or is it just more of the same smug/insufferable crap I'm familiar with?

ErrolTheDragon · 22/08/2019 09:31

There are team pictures too.

And a list of their sponsors, which includes Thule. What are serious companies doing supporting the erosion of women's sports? Have they just not thought it through?

'Nonbinary' women who aren't on T aren't in any way excluded from cycling, surely to goodness it's not the sort of thing where there's any pressure to be gender conforming?

Juells · 22/08/2019 09:41

'Nonbinary' women who aren't on T aren't in any way excluded from cycling

I suspect that the nonbinary women (does that mean women who don't conform to gender norms?) will come last in every outing, and quickly lose interest.

DarkNoise · 23/08/2019 07:08

Sorry I do not mean to derail but genuine question: why are we forced to use pronouns we dot agree with, or where there is evidence of the contrary? My work is evidence based, in simple words, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, why am I forced to say it's a swan because they say so? This is where dogma and the inquisition begins.

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