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Transsexual women face erasure

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joannegosling2 · 16/08/2019 22:45

It's a fine state of affairs isn't it?

Please - before the administrators axe this post, at least hear me out.

August 2019 - Transsexual women (not the self ID-seeking transgender - I refer to those of us who surgically transition lock, stock and barrel under strict medical supervision but whose narratives have been appropriated by the TG activists and advertised as their own) now being clobbered by feminists, not only here but every where else on the internet too, whether it be on TGN or this new Spinster group I've heard about. I understand the voice of feminism on the latter has reached unseen heights of extremism.

In fact, if I may say, equally as extreme as the trans activists whom feminists have been resisting for quite some time now. But what a difference a week makes. It seems they are now mounting a full-on attack on their own allies - we transsexuals (who are no less
appalled by the behaviour of the transgenderists and feel equally threatened by them), suggesting we are exactly like those same people with no respect at all for women. AND IT IS CATCHING ON.

They insult us further by calling us men and insisting we submit to male pronouns and acknowledge the absurd assumption that we benefit from male privilege (whatever that is, I surely never realized there was any).

For the zillionth time WE are NOT the problem. This entire farce was started by the self ID demands of the TG crowd. It is true - and we recognise - that women are fighting for their rights as never before. But regrettably there are certain feminist agitators who now see this as a golden opportunity to rid the streets and social life of not only
cross-dressing men who seek to enter their spaces but transsexuals too. To this end they have petitioned MPs to scrap the Gender Recognition Act which affords some legal protection to us...which by happy coincidence (though for different reasons) is exactly what their enemies demand also.

So here the two opposing sides have found common ground, and the politicians, having had the wool pulled over their eyes by the TRAs using narratives stolen from us, are joyfully legislating to bring peace and harmony to our troubled society. Cross-dressers will have their self ID on condition they respect segregated spaces and women will be safe from men in their toilets. And we will all live happily ever after.

Not so for us transsexuals. Someone somewhere has decided that we must be the sacrificial lamb to enable this to happen. We must cease to exist as a group. And not existing together with self ID being in place means it will be deemed no longer appropriate to transition via surgical means. Consequently all such treatment, once tailored purely for he needs of transsexuals, will vanish forever.

I hear women repeat over and over that they were never consulted about 'old-school' transsexuals using their spaces like we have done for years. Since in all probability many of you here weren't even born when I had my operation some 30 years ago that would have been rather difficult. And besides I don't recall being consulted about these outrageous proposals to erase me and my compatriots from society. There are certain well-known individuals on social media claiming to be transsexual but who eagerly cow to feminist insistence that they be labelled men. If they are happy to be blokes, fine. But they
certainly do NOT speak for most of us. I will NOT degrade myself in that way just to please others - nor to seek validation.

Personally it matters little whether women accept me or not. They never did when I was trying my best to present myself in the male role either. That used to hurt me a lot. But now I've grown harder. If the feminists treat their allies worse than they do their enemies, then they do not deserve allies. Whilst still supporting women's concerns in general, transsexuals are also entitled to fight for their existence - especially in the face of so many seeking their total erasure.

I believe feminists have singled us out for one simple reason. Thanks to our years of serious and medicated transitioning (unlike the TG community) many of us pass so well women cannot tell should they brush by us in their toilets. (If you have they're most probably cross-dressers). This I feel is what irks them most as it makes it near impossible to keep us out. So the fewer transsexuals enabled to transition, the less will be in their spaces.

I refuse to pay atonement for the sins of transgender activists. I'm sorry but I just cannot accept that from now on we be barred from women's toilets and hospital wards. For I can tell you it will not stop there. Next it will be parks, libraries, shopping centres and schools -
indeed any place where there are children. Apartheid sound familiar?

So know this Mumsnetters. I shall go on using women's toilets as I've done for half my life now. Not because I'm some misogynistic, foul-mouthed lager-drinking bloke who seeks to undermine or abuse women as many feminists seem to relish believing these days, but to
quietly assert my right to exist; you see I do it in the context of the time when black people once sat at segregated lunch counters enduring terrible abuse and violence from bigots.

Feminists can so do their worst. We few transsexuals who are left have nothing to lose now.

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Datun · 21/08/2019 21:20

Can I just mention, as an aside, every time I see a post deleted, it sort of warms the cockles of my heart.

This is a forum that is moderated by reporting only. And twats are monitoring these boards, in a futile attempt to shut women up. Because what we say cannot be heard.

I can promise you, literally every time I see it, it's another tick for me.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 21/08/2019 21:29

Three deletes on a thread and you get put on the naughty step.

Lamahaha · 21/08/2019 21:30

The more they try to silence us, the louder we'll get!!! Grin

(And the more women we'll be heard. Women don't like to see other women being silenced.)

Datun · 21/08/2019 21:33

If you have to stop women talking, you have no argument. Simples. And obvious.

Cascade220 · 21/08/2019 21:46

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

pombear · 21/08/2019 22:14

Eh? Just came back after an evening out to see my post deleted.

A post that reflected only things that have already been said.

I did refer to a 'man who feels like a woman' - is that why I was deleted?

Given that bespin themselves explictly said earlier in this thread that they agree that you can't change sex, then surely I couldn't have said 'a woman' in my explanation about that specific situation regarding vulnerable girls, because that wouldn't have been what I was referring to in the very situation bespin referred to - vulnerable girls who may not have wanted to be supported by someone who wasn't {can't say the word otherwise will be deleted)

I'm slightly baffled how we are deleted for talking about a specific example highlighted by a transwomen themselves, where vulnerable girls may not want to be supported by that person because they're [must not say the word] because we're not allowed to say what that word is.

Unless we're bespin. Then we're OK to talk! (As with others, I never feel motivated to report a post, even when it breaches the baffling rules here or 'denies my beliefs' because I think there's more value in letting differing opinions stand, rather than deleting them)

I'll try again:
The implicaton seems to be that only transwomen are allowed to set which boundaries are allowed for women and girls who might feel vulnerable?

pombear · 21/08/2019 22:20

By the way monitors -
Lamahaha
The more they try to silence us, the louder we'll get!!!

It's like 'whack-a-mole' - the more you think you've hit us, the more we'll pop up in other places.

It's the law of diminishing of returns - your energy in monitoring this site is not necessarily having the effect you think it may be having. Smile

EmpressLesbianInChair · 21/08/2019 22:28

One of Detroit’s posts was deleted.

I’m wondering what sort of misogynist arsehole reports a post by a traumatised woman who’s being forced to camp out because she can’t find a shelter where she can be sure not to encounter dicks.

pombear · 21/08/2019 22:32

I’m wondering what sort of misogynist arsehole reports a post by a traumatised woman who’s being forced to camp out because she can’t find a shelter where she can be sure not to encounter dicks.

I think we know, Empress, I think we all know. They're obviously crawling all over this thread this evening.

Waves at monitors: I'll repeat, in case my last post gets deleted as well for speaking the truth.

It's the law of diminishing of returns - your energy in monitoring this site is not necessarily having the effect you think it may be having. Smile

testing987654321 · 21/08/2019 22:46

As with others, I never feel motivated to report a post, even when it breaches the baffling rules here or 'denies my beliefs' because I think there's more value in letting differing opinions stand, rather than deleting them)

I would report incitement to violence but not much else.

LangCleg · 21/08/2019 22:49

One of Detroit’s posts was deleted.

WTAF? JFC.

Datun · 21/08/2019 22:49

I’m wondering what sort of misogynist arsehole reports a post by a traumatised woman who’s being forced to camp out because she can’t find a shelter where she can be sure not to encounter dicks.

And that's what happens after each deletion. Its about as counter productive as it can get. It may not be a lack of IQ, but it's the opposite of smart.

And no, I hardly ever report. Certainly never reported Bespin - why would I?😊

LangCleg · 21/08/2019 22:55

Can't remember the last time I reported a post. Months ago.

Aberhonddu · 21/08/2019 22:57

From a watcher/lurker. I don't post often but this thread has truly turned out to be a real eye opener. I really couldn't understand a lot of Bespin's posts when I found FWR so I read and tried to understand his viewpoint I gather that he's dyslexic so that explains a lot. This will probably be deleted because wrong pronouns, you know.
Just want to add my thanks to Barracker Red and the indomitable Datun also Michelle. for all your posts on this thread, when I first started reading these boards I thought that Barracker was harsh but she's right, the Rophynol deletion did it for me. I'd arrived at the WTAF moment when Jenner was nominated as Woman of the year. Just want to say keep on keeping on. I talk to every one I know about the silencing of Women, the attempted erasure of Lesbian women, I tell so many people, they're probably pissed off with me but il just keep on talking.

DickKerrLadies · 21/08/2019 22:57

I wasn't going to post as I have nothing more I can add to the posts here, but seeing as there has been deletions I feel it is only right to add a post.

It's been most interesting and I was nodding along at lots of points so thanks everyone, including the OP for starting this thread! It's been very useful.

RedToothBrush · 21/08/2019 22:57

As I said upthread

The tells say everything don't they?

All you have to do is listen to what is being said. It doesn't take much to spot the glaring admissions and contradictions.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 21/08/2019 23:00

I reported a poster boasting of doxxing GC posters. Think that is about it.

Aberhonddu · 21/08/2019 23:03

There was meant to be a gap between Barracker and Red

Wurzelsnewhead · 21/08/2019 23:41

A post from Detroit deleted?
So someone took it upon themselves to report a post from a woman unable to find a safe refuge, who is reaching out to other women for support?
Low.
Detroit, these are for you 💐.

zebrasdontwearbras · 22/08/2019 00:00

So someone took it upon themselves to report a post from a woman unable to find a safe refuge, who is reaching out to other women for support? Low.

It seems so doesn't it. These people hate and despise women,and don't care about vulnerable women and children.

Only women who will accept the bepenised in their personal spaces are to be allowed refuge, according to the TRA.

Except - for females who have been abused by men, a space which has the bepenised in it - is no longer a refuge.

zebrasdontwearbras · 22/08/2019 00:09

However, I echo the pp's who have said this thread turned into a right corker. It really has. Wonderful FWR - turning a passive aggressive OP into an informative discussion. And this is why they report.

I sometimes wonder how many posts are reported that aren't deleted. The way TRAs go about reporting feminist twitter accounts (TRAs often talk about reporting tactics/mass reporting on twitter) I wouldn't be surprised if they go through reporting every post & every thread.

2BthatUnnoticed · 22/08/2019 00:27

Detroit 🌹🍭⭐️

I’ve come to regard deleted posts as a “compliment” (albeit a highly unwelcome one). Your words matter. They centre women. So keep talking Smile

2BthatUnnoticed · 22/08/2019 07:03

Also Aber great post, it’s so valuable when someone who hasn’t posted on a thread adds their input.

Separately, I’m also pretty horrified at the suggestion upthread, that the right of vulnerable women to a penis-free space could be resolved by popularity vote (!!).

It would be quite viable for (a) women who want a single-sex space to have it while (b) TW and (self-ID) CW have a single-gender space. So those who would rather deny single sex spaces to all women really reveal their agenda.

Bespin · 22/08/2019 07:09

I come back to this thread to find a number of posts personally attacking me so I think this thread is done. As I have stated before I don't tolerate personal attacks on anyone or bullying. If people can not debate on here without resorting to that then what's the point. in relation to deletions there are a set of rules designed to promote civil debate if you can not post within these rules then just go to spinster and talk to yourselves about stuff. you keep wanting a debate wirh us but when we do you ultimately just end up attacking us. there would be no deletions if what you said fell within the rules of the forum.

So unless we are going to talk about the topics of the thread I think I'm done on this one.

sackrifice · 22/08/2019 07:14

'women, look at what you made me do'

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