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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

**Solution** 'CIS' women and transwoman form a class together

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2BthatUnnoticed · 16/08/2019 11:04

By ‘cis’ I mean only women who ID as ‘cis’ (CW). This is only a small proportion of the world’s 3.8 billion women, but politically very influential.

Most women want some sex-based protections, and access to certain sex-segregated spaces when in need – refuges, shelters, rape crisis centres, prison.

Some women, usually 'CW,' do not – they support removing sex-based protections for gender-based ones. [Many CW believe "TWAW" (regardless of transition) and that any risk of predators assuming a trans ID to access women’s spaces is minimal.]

To solve this fairly for all – why don’t CW form a class with trans women (TW)? Leaving women who want single-sex spaces to do so?

(Eg 1) In Vancouver, 2/3 rape crisis centres admit TW. TRAs are trying to get the one female-only one (VRR) closed (incidentally I've worked in a shelter - there are genuine reasons for single sex). Instead, why not have a 4th centre specifically for CW/TW - and respect the female-only centre as is.

(Eg 2) Youth hostels could have (1) male dorms, (2) female dorms and (3) CW/TW dorms. This would respect everyone and keep everyone happy:

  • CW would be with TW as they wish – with gender ID in common.
  • TW would be amongst those who believe TWAW - gender affirming.
  • Women who want and need a female only space would have it.

I think there would be high profile people happy to champion the TW/CW cause (eg Sally Hines, Mhairi Black, Munroe Bergdof, Danielle Muscato).

What do you think?

Are there CW/TW posters about - would you support this?

Most “women’s” Refuges currently admit TW. They will lose their funding if they don’t. This policy is causing harm. Do you support it being changed as proposed?

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2BthatUnnoticed · 27/08/2019 05:12

It’s not just us (MN posters) who want this and care about it.

Ironically enough - I’ve had dealings with a support service for male survivors of sexual assault. They have not wanted to speak to a male person either (regardless of gender ID), in that situation.

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2BthatUnnoticed · 27/08/2019 06:05

Oops meant to attach this with my last post

**Solution** 'CIS' women and transwoman form a class together
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moderate · 27/08/2019 09:46

It's an idea, the rejection of which would show up the agenda ... But even giving houseroom to the idea, is moving the Overton window.

Agreed. Tactically, arguing for two spaces, "female-only" and "mixed", is great because it forces your opponent to make the case that men are a risk, from which point it's much easier to segue what self-ID really entails.

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