Taking a sword to the toilets

[AlwaysComingHome]

This is where we are now.

Holy shit.

Those tweets Always shared are chilling.

This is the US, right? Let’s hope he doesn’t have guns as well.

@AncientLights

It's male privilege. Pure and true.

People socialised as men cannot comprehend that women are on high alert 99% of the time in public places.
My own thoughtful husband took a long while to get that my perspective on the world has a whole layer of self preservation that his rarely does, so no way will self-obsessed TRAs ever even consider it.

So to them, the reason you'd walk out = TERF, not your gut screaming 'this isn't right, get out!!'

Which, considering the opression and hate that TW face daily is surprising, you'd think there would be empathy there. But then again, as TW easily win the opression Olympics, it's easy to dismiss women's lived experiences as trivial in comparison to TW experiences.

I think the toilet incident & the sword carrying picture may be separate but that is one scary individual.

I think they were separate incidents.

Apparently there is a KF thread on this character, so I doubt they are the most stable individual in the world.

Their response to the commendation of their tweet was to say they couldn't understand it, and why the nasty people haven't picked on their trans sports tweets. I'm guessing they like to fence against women as a human right.

HRTFT but thought from the profile that it was a transman? Am I wrong? Pronouns He/him? Why would someone who identifies as a male use the Ladies unless they're a biological woman.

Confused.

Cyclepath approves. Who would have guessed?

The sword-bearer uses he/him and identifies as a bisexual woman.

This is the first of these threads I have thought yes I would be nervous of that person. Purely because he is carrying a sword - although as a previous poster said it is not clear he had it in the ladies.

As a rule I am not scared of men, I never have been, I don't feel vulnerable in any way - I totally appreciate that I am not all women and I am very lucky to have been brought up by and live amongst good men.

I think that this is where a difficulty lies, I don't care if a transwoman or straight up man is in the ladies with me because I am not afraid, I don't feel vulnerable and don't think people will harm me. Therefore I dismiss a lot of what could be considered 'scaremongering' about transwoman in the ladies loo.

You have shown me one person I would be nervous of - I would be nervous of anybody carrying a weapon. I fail to see how that should make me afraid of all Transwomen.

There is no reason to take knives to Pride. Why would you need to take knives to Pride? It's a well policed, largely safe event*

*unless you're a lesbian holding a banner with a dictionary definition on it.

AnotherAdultHumanFemale
Yes, I don't mean old school transexuals, who have quietly gone about their lives for years.

Not sure I believe that any longer.

Juells they are male but I believe have changed their documents to “F”. So in that state he is legally entitled to use the women’s restroom.

TM usually look totally different - they can look very masculine but somehow not scary / threatening like this person.

Anotherusefulname Transwomen are adult male transsexuals & shouldn’t be using the ladies toilets at all. If they wanted to campaign for their own bathroom facilities I wouldn’t object.
It isn’t up to women to have to decide who is a scary TW or who is harmless because they shouldn’t be in there in the first place that is the whole point.

What would be funny - if it wasn't so terrifying - is that the schtick they repeat over and over again is that trans women don't pose a threat to women. That women shouldn't be frightened to have trans women in their spaces. That to imagine trans women pose a threat is "transphobic".

And then they prove their point by repeatedly issuing violent threats against women and posing with knives.

Another that’s great you feel that way - do you think would you be fine with two options, viz:

1. Gender neutral
2. Female

So if places cannot provide GN in addition to M and F, they can convert their male toilets to gender neutral.

Women who need them could use (2). Women who don’t mind mixed-sex could use (1) if they want?

This thread subject is disturbing enough.

However what's even more scary is how adverts that must be interacting with the thread title.

The Advertising Algorithm has obviously picked up the word 'sword' because its trying to advert Handmade Katana UK to me. Complete with images of swords.

See screenshot.

Now that's quite frightening to see as someone concerned about violence.

But it also concerns me, because the same algorithm will be advertising in other places and other forums.

Is this going on in the US with guns?

In the UK I thought there would at least be better control over this or reputable advertisers would not permit weapons to be advertised in a targeted way, because of how that might play out and to whom these weapons might be being promoted to.

People who approve of what those tweets are about are also being targeted for adverts for swords. Or people who glorify violence in anyway are being actively micro targeted just for clicking on something that says 'swords' in the title.

If we have any intention of tackling online extremism or violence against vulnerable groups then how the hell can this be thought of as OK?

I find this extremely alarming and concerning.

@MNHQ
I don't know if there is anything that can be done from your side about advert suppliers who think it appropriate to target weapons in this way, but I'd be delighted if you could or at least give it some thought and reflection.

This can not possibly be a good thing considering domestic violence, rising crime against minorities and rises in knife crime particularly involving teenagers.

I'm shocked.

lordamighty

Yeah, I get what they are but as I said, I am not scared of men I wouldn't be afraid to be standing on a train platform with one, I wouldn't be afraid to walk across a empty car park near one. It stands to reason I wouldn't be scared of one in the toilets.

As I said I completely appreciate that I am lucky to not feel vulnerable or like I am looking over my shoulder on alert all the time.

I appreciate that a lot of women do feel like that, but I work on the assumption that most people, whatever their sex or gender identity are good and just want to get on with their lives.

Much like when we say "a spider doesn't want anything to do with you he is just looking for food" to a frightened child. Well a transwoman/male bodied person doesn't want anything to do with me in the toilet - they just need a wee.

I think gender neutral and ladies only is a good compromise.

If the people with with the penises, and the swords, could use the gender neutral, that would be great.

2bthatunnoticed

If it makes other women feel more comfortable then of course I am for separate women's and Gender Neutral toilets.

In fact maybe that would mean less of a queue for women like me who aren't bothered we can just nip in what used to be the mens.

Its a Win Win

Another would you be good with (1) women’s and (2) mixed sex, as per my proposal?

Cause that would solve the whole bathroom debate forever

Oops sorry x-post

Thank you, that’s so great to hear!

I think that would ensure everyone can feel safe and respected.

What the hell red.

Littlbrowndog I've stuck a thread on site stuff about what's just happened.

I'm gobsmacked and considering contacting (my rather useless) MP over it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3660826-Targeted-advertising-Swords

Red that is extremely concerning.

I’m Always on alert and feel awful I have to teach my girls this. They’re 12 and 10 and sometimes go to the loos alone when we eat out. But self I.d concerns me. Not genuine trans women but predators who will use this to gain access. My oldest has asd is especially vulnerable. I know a lot of men are good but this whole movement affirms how women’s rights don’t matter and how privileged men are.

If I saw anyone with a sword in a loo I’d leave. I know it’s awful but I would feel uncomfortable sharing a loo with someone who has a penis. Regardless if that penis owner was wearing a dress.

It isn’t up to women to have to decide who is a scary TW or who is harmless because they shouldn’t be in there in the first place that is the whole point.

^^ this. Which is why I'm sick of the 'lovely old transsexuals that quietly used the ladies and nobody noticed or minded" line. Who says nobody noticed or minded?

Red, I've mentioned before that on FWR I get so many ads aimed at gay men (for gay cruises is the main one), I've always assumed that it indicates how closely this section is being monitored by men.