"An open wound...": horrific detransitioner story

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No words for this. A 16 year old coerced into going the whole way up to genital surgery.
The result is heartbreaking.

sexchangeregret.com/27-year-old-man-regrets-having-surgery/?fbclid=IwAR2tl9j0hCdvvvkIBcvZjEAdrw28fUeKdv_-PsGSi1dqxZ0nh1DkBSWXgTo

WARNING: very graphic quote. If you think it's TOO graphic I'll report it. Not sure about MN rules. But I think we need to see this up front. Especially lurkers on the fence.

I tried to have sex with a man 8 months after my bottom surgery and I felt disgusted with myself for having him penetrate a pool of bacteria. Blood came out of the cavity during penetration and I could see he was uncomfortable with the looks of the vulva and with the feeling of the vagina on his penis.

He knew I was trans, I told him, but he had never dated a trans woman before.

I was diagnosed with bacterial vaginosis around 1 year post op. The vaginal cavity was full of unhealthy bacteria, despite me douching with isobetadine regularly.

At this point it became very clear to me that what I have between my legs is nothing more than a surgically created wound.

I honestly don’t understand how this surgery is even legal. It butchers a healthy body and comes with life threatening side effects.

It is not a vagina.

It's a surgically created wound that got infected because it was never meant to exist and bodies don't work well if you try and keep a wound open.

The lies that keep being peddled around this whole topic must stop, because this is what they lead to.

Everyone who sanctions this, from surgeons to YouTube Gender evangelists need to hang their stupid, self serving heads in shame, because they are not supportive, good people trying to help, they are wickedly foolish abuse enablers.

But fundamentally, a surgeon decided that exploring a patient's decision making and circumstances was not needed or not appropriate.

This is the aforementioned surgeon, Marci Bowers, talking to Jazz Jennings before surgery:

people.com/tv/jazz-jennings-talks-sexual-stuff-orgasm-libido-doctor-before-gender-confirmation-surgery/

Bowers acknowledges that Jazz has never had an orgasm, and that will not be possible after surgery, but instead of stopping the process, recommending Jazz come off suppressive hormone treatment to allow Jazz to experience an orgasm and libido like any decent human being would do, Bowers instead ploughs on with experimental surgery.

I can’t see how this person is allowed to continue to treat patients, or not in prison.

Yes, I also noted the reference to 'vaginosis'.

That's really not what was going on in this poor chap's surgical wound.

Although the whole infection, bacteria & persistent refusal of the cavity to NOT be generally smelly, painful & infection prone thing is what you'd expect, surely?

I like tattoos & piercings. I was a bit 'meh' about the whole flesh tunnel trend 20 bloody years ago because everyone I knew who was even opening up modest holes in their earlobes, was grumbling that they were sore & they stank.

If you make holes or cavities in your body, it'll try to heal that hole. It's also going to be at a high risk of infection.

We understand this about having our earlobes pierced, ffs.

Language is so important.

This extremely vulnerable person was groomed and drugged from a young age into being castrated and left with a permanent wound.

Its not pleasant to say that but its what has happened and if it is to be stopped from happening to others then facts need to be discussed. People need to be made aware of what is happening.

There seems to be a common grooming theme when detransitioners speak out, or in the case of Jayden it has come to light after their death. Vulnerable children welcomed into "glitter families", seperated from parents - not necessarily in a physical sense, groomed into taking off label drugs bought online...

That poor person, makes both sad and angry.

So, so heartbreaking. Now we need medicine to help these young people live as well as possible with the damage has been done to them, but it seems like, at the moment, detransitioners are being left entirely to their own devices.

I think it's shocking how detransitioners are dismissed and ignored by the LGBT organisations even though many of them are gay and lesbian (so many girls)..
They need support but everywhere is geared up for transitioning and nothing else

It''s truly a heartbreaking read. Can't think what it's like to have done such damage to yourself/ to be coerced/to be inappropriately allowed to sign papers under 18.

Poor soul, that is very sad to read. I blame Jenner for making it all look so easy, with the magazine covers and fashion shoots.

Ugh
When will this trend reverse itself! And how many casualties and victims will be left in its wake?

I think there probably is a bit more back story to this. But fundamentally, a surgeon decided that exploring a patient's decision making and circumstances was not needed or not appropriate.

It sounds like it was more his psychiatric doctors that gave the green light. I can understand why a surgeon might not feel it was their area of knowledge to explore that.

I have a friend who identified as trans at one point in our friendship. I remember being up late nights just chatting to him and he had so much confusion, self hatred and a strong ideation he was a woman. I talked him out of getting bottom surgery, although I said at the time I’d accept him either way as my friend. I have often felt conflicted about talking him out of it, he has since moved on from the belief he was a woman, and reading that article thank fuck I did.

This is going to get worse before it gets better, as if I had supported his decision with zero pushback I’d have been complicit and would have to face the fact I enabled a friend to mutilate themselves. I’m not sure many people who are in that position would be able to face themselves after realising that. This more people are going to go ideologically all in.

The world really does have enough tragedy in it already.

It is seriously shit. I'm really disturbed by what has happened to this person.

But then, we shouldn't be surprised. Exactly this scenario has been playing out on US TV in the form of "I am Jazz".

Puberty blockers = no puberty = no sexual maturity = a child, who remains a child into adult age - with no sexual feeling.

I don't know about any other parents here - but I would rather my children had normal growth and sexual function, and did not take drugs to inhibit this.

Imagine reading this in history books - men turned their penises inside out and used them to line a surgically made hole, believing this made them women. Except they'll write - And behold, the men became beautiful, brave stunning women.

Sorry for the graphic question, but if the "vagina" is an inverted penis skin, how is that a wound?

(If you get my question. I'm aware that the surgery involves cuts and removal and relocation of urethra etc)

This is going to get worse before it gets better, as if I had supported his decision with zero pushback I’d have been complicit and would have to face the fact I enabled a friend to mutilate themselves. I’m not sure many people who are in that position would be able to face themselves after realising that. This more people are going to go ideologically all in.

Imagine if you are a parent, and supported your child's transition, and then all this happened. How can you ever look yourself in the mirror again? How can you ever have a good relationship with your adult child, after you helped ruin their life?

I hope, in this case, the parents are supportive in every possible way. Still heartbroken, but supportive without all the "I told you so's". He won't have many friends; I hope the gay community rallies round to help people like this.

Gay people need to wake up. The G/L and the T are mutually exclusive.

There's a subreddit dedicated to detransitioners and their stories. Apparently persuading one's partner to transition, have SRS and then dumping them is becoming a recognised form of partner abuse. I wonder if that was the underlying motive here.

Sorry for the graphic question, but if the "vagina" is an inverted penis skin, how is that a wound?

I agree that once the initial surgery has healed (i.e. the lines where one part of the inverted skin has been sutured to another part), it is no longer a "wound". But as previously stated, skin was not designed to line internal cavities, and will develop infections in that situation.

This is an incredibly sad story, I cannot begin to imagine the grief this person must feel for what they have lost.

I found this on twitter and didn't know where to put it so I'm adding it here because it's an example of how gender critical thinking helped another person reach self acceptance without hormones and radical surgery.

mobile.twitter.com/ThatRadGayBoy/status/1157504507103891456

Bastards! TemporaryPermanent that's a really good point. We collectively need to do everything we can to prevent this sort of butchery being seen as positive or aspirational.
I'm just desperately hoping y children get to 25 avoiding this awfulness.

Reading that has made me cry. I recently received the news that a young relative has just had a double mastectomy. “He” has been on testosterone and has drastically changed appearance. It makes me so sad. I try to be kind and not say anything to upset my relative, but I am weeping inside. My closer family know my GC views, but I dare not say anything to friends or publicly, so I am anonymous on Twitter.

So sorry that this is incoherent, I have tears in my eyes.

It's not a wound in that it will heal. But the cavity is always trying to heal closed, which is why they need to dilate with dilators for years after surgery to avoid losing the depth.

That does sound very sad.

It’s also seems extremely unusual. The persons account has no history mentioned of how they felt when they were younger. Did they see themself as a girl? Want to be one? Hate their male body? How did they feel about it? No internal life or emotions reported which is unusual.

On top of that they seem to have been railroaded into transition by another person who quite possibly was unstable. It isn’t like the jazz Jennings case or other accounts at all.

Keep defending this stuff field. My comment up thread is about people like you who think this kind of despicable surgical mutilation is an acceptable thing to sanitize as a response to emotional distress. You carry on showing everyone how keen you are to to keep on promoting it.