Challenor showing off their 'new' birth certificate

[MrsSnippyPants]

I will never accept this 'legal fiction, it is a travesty.

What time is it there girl?

It’s 23:54 Datun

See you on the flip side 😴

Who's Richard

Hey, remember when Richard signed up to attend the Leeds meeting and then leaked the venue to his female friend in the council who then cancelled the venue and the women all had to go to the pub, and then Richard told everyone that he thought that they had sabotaged their own meeting and it wasn't him that had leaked the venue even though we have screenshots?

Thats him.

Thats him.

Ah, got it.

No wonder I didn't know who he was. We have an entirely different name for him.

See you on the flip side 😴

Sweet dreams.

We have an entirely different name for him.

Yes indeed we do.

Girl after inflicting that imagery on Datun (and the rest of us) the Gin should be bloody free. Night lovely I'm about to call it a night myself.

Waaaay back in the thread someone was asking about GD diagnosis and paraphilias.

ICD currently use the term 'gender incongruence' and to get a diagnosis the psychiatrist is first supposed to exclude paraphilic disorders.

icd.who.int/browse11/l-m/en#/http%3a%2f%2fid.who.int%2ficd%2fentity%2f90875286

These are:

6D30 Exhibitionistic disorder

6D31 Voyeuristic disorder

6D32 Pedophilic disorder

6D33 Coercive sexual sadism disorder

6D34 Frotteuristic disorder

6D35 Other paraphilic disorder involving non-consenting individuals

6D36 Paraphilic disorder involving solitary behaviour or consenting individuals

6D3Z Paraphilic disorders, unspecified

However, say someone had, just as an example, an adult baby fetish or a furry fetish or both, and only ever indulged their fetish on their own or with other consenting adults, they would not be diagnosed with a paraphilic disorder unless their fetish caused them psychological distress.

icd.who.int/browse11/l-m/en#/http%3a%2f%2fid.who.int%2ficd%2fentity%2f2055403635

Alarmingly, the diagnosis of any of the other paraphilic disorders, including pedophilic disorder and coercive sexual sadism disorder, will only be made if the patient has already acted on their urges or is distressed by them.

Hey, remember when Richard signed up to attend the Leeds meeting and then leaked the venue to his female friend in the council who then cancelled the venue and the women all had to go to the pub, and then Richard told everyone that he thought that they had sabotaged their own meeting and it wasn't him that had leaked the venue even though we have screenshots?

Oh yeah, I remember that. He's here on MN? Blimey, some people have no shame.

Nobody cares is the answer.

He may hope this is the case, but clearly it's not. This is the type of loophole that brings anyone concerned about sex offences out in a cold sweat.

Just for the record...home now so can post the screenshot...

Hey, remember when Richard signed up to attend the Leeds meeting and then leaked the venue to his female friend in the council who then cancelled the venue and the women all had to go to the pub, and then Richard told everyone that he thought that they had sabotaged their own meeting and it wasn't him that had leaked the venue even though we have screenshots?

Was the second chapter to that, that they all got a right royal telling off?

Because you can't cancel a public meeting, about a public consultation, where the government are actively urging the, er, public, to meet and consult on the, um, public government consultation ?

Cos it's not actually your front room, Leeds city council.

Keep us updated cabbage we most definitely are interested

I most certainly will.

Any news little cabbage? Anything back from your mp?

Nothing back from MP yet nor Victoria Atkins (Minister for Crime, Safeguarding and Vulnerability, whom I emailed the same day). Had auto-acknowledgements from both at the time.

I am speaking to someone else who might is interested in making this issue more public if needs be..... can't say more than that at the mo, but rest assured, I am still trying to get to the bottom of this.

Here we go - "but this will never happen" twitter.com/JennyMCharles/status/1161574018337710081?s=20

(Monmouth is an all women shortlist)

Thanks for the update littlecabbage.

Thanks from me too littlecabbage

Have just today received a letter from my MP, saying that he has forwarded my email to Priti Patel, and will be back in touch with me when he has received her response.

I'm a Childminder and am part of the update service but have just found out that apparently it's not compulsory to be part of the update service. It seems that once you have a DBS check that is that and if you have a conviction then you have to declare it or it's not part of your DBS.

I had no idea and thought that the point of the update service was so you would be regularly checked and that everyone had to do this. I'm struggling to navigate the gov website to verify this. However if this is the case then it seems that the whole system isn't fit for purpose and actually the trans thing (although valid and worrying) is just a drop in the ocean and only part of a bigger picture. If what I have found out is true then you should be careful that what you've found out doesn't come across as transphonic given that the system apparently doesn't update details for people who already have had a check either.

Iirc when it was DBS checks they were never "updated"; it was down to the employer/org requiring it to decide whether each check is recent enough for their satisfaction, or they can require a new check is carried out on a regular basis (eg yearly).

I think some orgs started requesting them quite frequently because of this which became onerous and expensive.

Sorry, I meant CRB checks as they were back then!

MaverickSnoopy

A quick trawl of the (admittedly sometimes unclear) government DBS website, has found the following:

^Monitoring certificate status

When you add your DBS certificate to the Update Service, the DBS will keep your certificate up-to-date by regularly searching to see if any new information has come to light since its issue.

If new information is identified when we carry out the checks, you will receive a letter notifying you of the change and advising you of what to do next.

Your DBS certificate status will change if:

For all DBS certificates:

new convictions, cautions, reprimands or warnings are identified
any amendment or change to a current conviction, caution, warning or reprimand are identified

For all enhanced DBS certificates:

new convictions, cautions, reprimands or warnings are identified; or
any amendment or change to a current conviction, caution, warning or reprimand are identified
any new, relevant police information is identified

For enhanced certificates with a barred list check(s):

you are added to the barred list(s) that have been checked as part of an enhanced DBS certificate
any amendment or change to a current conviction, caution, warning or reprimand are identified
any new, relevant police information is identified
you are added to the barred list(s) that have been checked as part of an enhanced DBS check

You can log in to your account and check the status of your certificate at any time. You can also see a list of any employers/organisations that have checked your certificate status and how many times they have checked.^