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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Challenor showing off their 'new' birth certificate

602 replies

MrsSnippyPants · 01/08/2019 16:57

I will never accept this 'legal fiction, it is a travesty.

Challenor showing off their 'new' birth certificate
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littlecabbage · 05/08/2019 16:32

Worrying reply from the DBS:

^Thank you for your email

A transgender applicant does not need to disclose their previous identity to their employer if they don’t wish to, but they do need to disclose all previous names/identity to the sensitive applications team.

An applicant will have to supply ID evidence when submitting an application to support it. They will show their ID to the application evidence checker. However, we have found that some applicants may not have sufficient ID evidence required by the evidence checker to support their DBS application. If this is the case then, the applicant would need to advise the sensitive applications team they don’t have enough ID and the team will be able to help with the options available to them.

The sensitive applications team can remove the applicants previous identity from the DBS Certificate if the applicant wishes use the sensitive route, otherwise the DBS certificate will display all names.

All convictions will be disclosed on a DBS certificate, and if a transgender applicant does have convictions in their previous identity, and if the applicant has chosen to use the sensitive route i.e previous names removed from the certificate, the team will give the applicant the option as to whether they are happy to have the convictions on the certificate in their previous name or if they would like them to be displayed on their certificate in their now name.

You can find out more about how we use and protect your personal information online. Please visit our privacy policies on our website at:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/dbs-privacy-policies

If you require any further assistance please don’t hesitate to get in touch.^

Here is my reply:

^Thank you for your email explaining what happens if a transgender applicant DOES contact the Sensitive Applications Team regarding their DBS application.

But please will you clarify what would happen if a transgender applicant provides their prospective employer with identity documents relating to their new identity only, and NEITHER informs the employer about their previous identity, NOR contacts the Sensitive Applications Team?

Is there any process by which convictions or safeguarding issues relating to the previous identity will be flagged up to the prospective employer?^

littlecabbage · 05/08/2019 16:32

Italics fail!

ItsOnAmericasTorturedBrow · 05/08/2019 16:49

Brilliant reply to their cabbage. As you say - the onus is on the applicant to disclose all previous identities and if they don't then what?

happydappy2 · 05/08/2019 17:12

Am watching & waiting for their answer....bet they haven’t thought this through.

littlecabbage · 05/08/2019 17:18

If they haven't thought it through, I really despair about our country's safeguarding processes. I had always just assumed that there wouldn't be a way to hide past convictions under "previous identities".

The DBS are really trying to dodge the question, aren't they? Bet they think I'm really "transphobic" for asking Grin.

NotTerfNorCis · 05/08/2019 17:26

Just when you think things couldn't get any crazier, India Willoughby is claiming to be a 'cis' woman. twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1158364766706044936?s=19

The meanings and definitions in the trans cult are changing so fast, it makes your head spin.

WitchfinderGeneralHarrumph · 05/08/2019 17:28

Well done littlecabbage - there will be some scrambling going on, right now.

DBS have royally fucked this.

Halfeatentoast · 05/08/2019 17:56

not
India will now
A) delete post
B) laugh it off as a joke
C) call everyone a TERF
D) all of the above

LoveGrowsWhere · 05/08/2019 18:25

Littlecabbage spot on question.

ItsOnAmericasTorturedBrow · 05/08/2019 18:29

FFS! So it's not enough that we aren't women anymore we are "CIS women" - now trans women are CIS women too? But calling a woman an adult human female is transphobic? Can't I just be a woman? My head is spinning!!

Halfeatentoast · 05/08/2019 18:34

Wouldn't be surprised if they just ignored the question.

NotTerfNorCis · 05/08/2019 18:34

India is sticking by India's guns. Other TRAs are furious though. Let's see how long it is before 'transitioned person becomes cis' is dogma.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/08/2019 18:37

Wouldn't be surprised if they just ignored the question

That would be an answer in itself.

sakura184 · 05/08/2019 19:42

*What about the mothers?

Will we be compelled by law to say our daughter is actually our son?

That the child we gave birth to is not the child we gave birth to?*

Another of the main reasons that I assert that Transgenderism is pure misogyny and the fact men, especially those in government, love it and support it so much is an expression of this.

sakura184 · 05/08/2019 19:42

*What about the mothers?

Will we be compelled by law to say our daughter is actually our son?

That the child we gave birth to is not the child we gave birth to?*

Another of the main reasons that I assert that Transgenderism is pure misogyny and the fact men, especially those in government, love it and support it so much is an expression of this.

sakura184 · 05/08/2019 19:42

*What about the mothers?

Will we be compelled by law to say our daughter is actually our son?

That the child we gave birth to is not the child we gave birth to?*

Another of the main reasons that I assert that Transgenderism is pure misogyny and the fact men, especially those in government, love it and support it so much is an expression of this.

sakura184 · 05/08/2019 19:42

*What about the mothers?

Will we be compelled by law to say our daughter is actually our son?

That the child we gave birth to is not the child we gave birth to?*

Another of the main reasons that I assert that Transgenderism is pure misogyny and the fact men, especially those in government, love it and support it so much is an expression of this.

sakura184 · 05/08/2019 19:43

*What about the mothers?

Will we be compelled by law to say our daughter is actually our son?

That the child we gave birth to is not the child we gave birth to?*

Another of the main reasons that I assert that Transgenderism is pure misogyny and the fact men, especially those in government, love it and support it so much is an expression of this.

sakura184 · 05/08/2019 19:44

*What about the mothers?

Will we be compelled by law to say our daughter is actually our son?

That the child we gave birth to is not the child we gave birth to?*

Another of the main reasons that I assert that Transgenderism is pure misogyny and the fact men, especially those in government, love it and support it so much is an expression of this.

sakura184 · 05/08/2019 19:44

*What about the mothers?

Will we be compelled by law to say our daughter is actually our son?

That the child we gave birth to is not the child we gave birth to?*

Another of the main reasons that I assert that Transgenderism is pure misogyny and the fact men, especially those in government, love it and support it so much is an expression of this.

sakura184 · 05/08/2019 19:45

*What about the mothers?

Will we be compelled by law to say our daughter is actually our son?

That the child we gave birth to is not the child we gave birth to?*

Another of the main reasons that I assert that Transgenderism is pure misogyny and the fact men, especially those in government, love it and support it so much is an expression of this.

sakura184 · 05/08/2019 19:45

*What about the mothers?

Will we be compelled by law to say our daughter is actually our son?

That the child we gave birth to is not the child we gave birth to?*

Another of the main reasons that I assert that Transgenderism is pure misogyny and the fact men, especially those in government, love it and support it so much is an expression of this.

sakura184 · 05/08/2019 19:46

Oh my god my phone said it never sent . Wi report my posts to MNHQ now

Cascade220 · 05/08/2019 20:51

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JackyHolyoake · 05/08/2019 20:57

People can fantasise all they want but UK law is very clear:

1 No person can ever change their natural sex.

2 A woman is a female of any age.

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