Challenor showing off their 'new' birth certificate

[MrsSnippyPants]

I will never accept this 'legal fiction, it is a travesty.

There is one here, End: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3406740-GRA-and-DBS

Rewriting of history. Like my ExH who despite meeting me and marrying me as a man, having children as a man, in their late 40s applied to have their birth certificate, university degree certificates from 1993 and our marriage and divorce papers changed to female and in a new name. Basically according to them, they were born female and I was a lesbian who somehow managed cell meiosis to produce children in the absence of a male fertilisation! I also managed to marry a woman before same sex marriage was legal!

But it's never been me that applied for a DBS - I've been offered jobs subject to a satisfactory check which my potential employer has then carried out. So if I'd started saying 'ah I need to do that via, um, the sensitive channel

This puzzles me, as does the comment by Spartacus.

The DBS process requires the 'applicant' (i.e. the person being checked) to complete an online 'form'. You usually get sent the link by the organisation who is getting the check done on you, i.e. prospective employer or organisation for which you are volunteering.

You cannot be DBS checked without being involved in this online process, which includes giving details such as previous addresses, names, etc. You have to submit the original copies of specific documents to prove you are who you say you are (usually to the organisation which has commissioned the check).

imablackstarnotapopstar

How outrageous that they are allowed to rewrite your history into a fictitious mess.

imablackstarnotapopstar

Sounds like government sanctioned coercive abuse that does.

Scrimshaw thanks for the link.

Thanks - yeah I don't see why my history should be rewritten without my consent. I'm not a lesbian.

littlecabbage thank you-is insane you are having to point out the obvious loopholes here....

as for AC gloating about their new birth certificate.....its like posing holding a GG badge in front of a staircase that led to an attic-oh but they did that as well.

I cant quite hear myself think for the sound of the alarm bells ringing.

Sounds like they will put it on the form and your employer can see it. But if you want them to keep it off the form, they will, but will still tell your employer.

Probably two forms. One as Janet, no convictions. One as John, three convictions.

I've had numerous checks over the last couple of decades and in my opinion the whole DBS system has become a convoluted mess.

There is often confusion about which of the three checks are needed with even social workers getting confused, the checking agencies all do things in different ways so sometimes they do require the employer to submit the application and the type of documentation needed is now less stringent than it once was.

Also, there doesn't appear to be any consistency about the type of data recorded. I once had a blotted check as my speeding conviction was listed (I was only doing 35 in a 30) whereas someone I know that accepted a caution for GBH has never seen that recorded on a DBS.

blackstar sorry - just to be clear - you said your ex applied to have all those documents changed - were they successful and actually changed in all cases?

Ive had enhanced CRB when it was called that, DBS and now PVG in Scotland.

I have always had to fill in the information, previously on paper and then online via a link. Both DBS and PVG do a continual scheme now which updates automatcally every year so i no longer have to complete them

No they were uns

imablack so sorry that sounds horrendous

Sorry hit reply too soon - applied and was successful with some (birth certificate and our decree absolute) but so far not our marriage certificate or university certificates. The decree nisi had been granted in their old name and they managed to get the name changed before the decree absolute was released.

imablackstarnotapopstar - I can't believe he managed to backdate your marriage certificate, and divorce papers with a "new" female name and different sex That is madness.

This is not only complete re-writing of history, it is state-sanctioned delusion.

Oh, xpost.

God though, the way the TRAs push for this, I wouldn't be surprised if a whole "identity backdate" is the next thing they ask for.

Yes they are furious every trace of their old name can't be revised. They have written countless letters of complaint to their old university from almost 30 years ago. It's madness.

I would have thought the issue with the marriage certificate blackstar would be:

1.its obsolete now your divorced and was handed in to the court anyway

1. Gay marriage wouldn't have been legal
2. Nobody changes their name on marriage certificates retrospectively!

This thread has made me understand why my ex was already having post with his new name on it delivered to the marital home just before we split up- he wanted the 2 years to start running straight away.

You're divorced! The shame

Sorry. The shame of my typo not the shame of being divorced!

Vicky - well, I'm going back 5 years to my latest job change, & I was moving overseas, & their HR was bloody useless, soooo I might be confused - actually I wouldn't be at all surprised if they just thought 'ah sod it' & never completed the process, frankly. Things are a bit less regulated out here in the ME.

But I was just asked - via email - for various information (obvious stuff like any previous names, and previous addresses). I supplied that information, & that was the end of my involvement.

I know my employer does generally pursue DBS checks, as a colleague has a minor conviction resulting from a drunken youthful spree, & he was asked about the circumstances before his application proceeded.

But no, I was definitely not asked to participate in an online process, or to provide paper documents - I'd already sent them scans of BC etc for visa purposes.

Hmm. It's not really, as a process, designed to inspire much confidence!

Well it’s not a birth certificate is it? It doesn’t have a record of the birth. A male baby was born and named something else. That piece of paper should not be allowed to be called a birth certificate because it really is not.