To those who visit the board and believe in gender identity, what is your solution?

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I've been on Twitter again and seen another interesting thread but I'm not going to post it here so it can be picked apart.

Instead, although I know it's been asked before, to those of you who believe someone can be a woman without biologically being one I ask the question: What do you think should be put in place in law to provide safe spaces for trans people and women and what are you doing about it?

How do you tell the difference? If you are in a woman only space, how do you know who is trans and who isn't? Do you ask for proof of everyone around you?

The vast majority of transwomen dont "pass". If they do then they are more likely to be transexuals and less likely to be a danger.

That's the point Petrol. Without self ID if the current law is properly applied we can question the presence of someone we are not sure about and get them removed. With self ID they would potentially have a right to be there and to try and remove them would be illegal. Those are already the rules some places are trying to put in place.

If you change the definition of man and woman in law then that will impact on the laws in place to protect homosexuals as laws on homosexuality are based on the definitions of man and woman.

Well if straight males can now be lesbians homosexuality becomes meaningless.

Where is your statistics to prove that the vast majority don't pass? I wasn't aware that had been the subject of a study.

I don't think anything needs to be put in placed to segregate trans women from biological women, they're all women so they should all be protected.

There have been studies done that show even babies can tell the difference between men and women. It's innate in us.

Given that a lot of TRAs have stubble and even beards, it's really not that hard to tell. Even those on hormones have a man's build often.

What I need is your acceptance that just maybe I love spending weekends shopping for clothes and makeup. That maybe I would rather stay at home and knit than go down the pub. That just maybe I would rather read Cosmopolitan than watch sports.

I read that blog. This is the final paragraph and it really just is all about the stereotypes.

I loathe shopping for clothes and don't wear make up. I can't knit, well unless you want a really long scarf with poor tension and I'd much rather be in the pub. I don't watch sport or read Cosmo.

So what am I?

I know the Lonely TS doesn't refer to himself as a woman but these are still stereotypical tropes associated with women that many women just don't recognise.

If choosing the more 'feminine' of these options is what makes you a woman, then I am not one.

In fact, I've already been told by a transgender person that I am trans.

It's just a nonsense. We need to classify people by their biological needs for al sorts of reasons and not their hobbies and interests or how long their hair is! Because that's irrelevant.

You can be a biological woman and have a beard. Lots of women have facial hair. Lots of women have a heavy set build or a strong jaw. Besides, I thought being a woman wasn't defined by any feminine characteristics?

If you change the definition of man and woman in law then that will impact on the laws in place to protect homosexuals as laws on homosexuality are based on the definitions of man and woman.

The laws don't protect homosexuals anyway as anyone who calls people out for homophobia / advocating conversion therapy is told they are actually transphobic.

Homosexuality isn't a thing now and neither is homophobia, apparently. Language has lost all meaning.

Protected from whom mewk.

Beards, whether they are on males or females, are a consequence of biology.

The people mistaking personal opinions for facts are the people insisting on female essences etc. If you stick with chromosomes as your basis for policy and law making, opinions can go hang. The people who want to believe in female essences can do so, with zero impact on the sane majority. That’s the right way to do things.
One day, some people are going to wake up and realise they went into battle in defence of the notion of a female essence. I mean, I’ve been drunk. But I’ve never had a hangover that bad. That’s quite something to wake up to.

Facial recognition software is transphobic as it classes transwomen as male.

Sex is biological
Gender is psychological

Sex and gender are not interchangeable
They were, before our knowledge on each expanded

There is more to sex than genitals too
And there are more chromosomes than xx (female) and xy (male)
There is xxy and xyy, not to mention others (such as Mutated X)

Unfortunately these types of things aren't taught until advance levels of biology and psychology, so the mass of public wont understand or even know these things exist
Which as you can imagine makes it very difficult to teach people why being transgender is more than a male wearing dresses (stereotyping here)

Studies show that trans people have the brain chemistry and makeup of the "opposite" of their gentials, so it actually aligns with their gender not their sex

And a subcategory of transgender being nonbinary (those who aren't man or woman - - could be both or neither)

Not to forget those born with ambiguous genitalia, having had their parents choose which genitals they want to remove /enhance when the child is born, are often trans also

I believe The lonely TS had ott gender roles from an early age forced on them which has led to the dysphoria. They're enjoying those activities while knowing they're a biological Male. Not an essence, just personality.

LTS knows full well what they are and are not.

Those are some of the consequences I was referring to LonginesPrime and it will get worse but those wishing to to throw those protections down the pan seem not to care one iota.

Studies do not show that mewk. There is no “brain chemistry and make up” belonging to each sex. Is someone has told you there is, then they have told you lies.

And being intersex is nothing to do with being trans. You have been misled, or are trying to mislead.

@TheBigBallOfOil I am currently working under doctors (neuroscience PhD) who have been researching this, it'd be wild if their work was "lies" lol

No, the brain science of gendered brains is not fact, it's rather shakey science. The brain scans of different sexes and people who say they are trans are not that different. F to M trans are slightly different as the testosterone thins out something in the back of the brain. This is not because they are born with Male brains, this is because of the testosterone they have taken. Quite happy to link to sources if you want me to.

Yes - brains are plastic. A gendered world creates gendered brains detectable on brain scans. (See the Gendered Brain by Gina Rippon, a neuroscientist)

So does learning a second or third language.

The brains of taxi drivers with the knowledge are very different to those without.

and I am the Queen of Sheba. No really, I am.

I am very clear on what has made me feel like a woman: having periods, having boobs, having sex, being pregnant, giving birth, breastfeeding, employment issues due to being pregnant or being a mother, discrimination based on my sex, men grabbing at my body, men making me feel extremely uncomfortable

But not all women would have experienced all or some of these. You cite specific biological functions as how you identify as a woman. Had you not have experienced those functions would you still feel like a woman? If so, how? What, outside of biological functions that not every woman experiences makes you feel like a woman?

Mewk, you'll be familiar with this then:

sfonline.barnard.edu/neurogenderings/eight-things-you-need-to-know-about-sex-gender-brains-and-behavior-a-guide-for-academics-journalists-parents-gender-diversity-advocates-social-justice-warriors-tweeters-facebookers-and-ever/

Guys - don’t give it houseroom. Please. Half the problems in this area have come about because for some reason we don’t feel able to tell bullshitters they’re bullshitters.