About time: Guardian waking up?

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www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/27/male-genitalia-week-in-patriarchy-women

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/27/trans-lobby-pressure-pushing-young-people-to-transition

How they square these articles with TWAW is anybody's guess, but it looks like somebody has finally had the sense to stop and think about a few things.

It's a start. Not impressed with this comment though:

t. If those women had refused to wax Yaniv’s legs because they had a problem with her being trans then she would have been absolutely right to take action.

Missing the point that those women would be within their rights to refuse to wax the legs of someone who is Male.

Sorry. Didn't RTFT

I wonder what Owen Jones is doing right about now? He's been very quiet on this subject since rubber-wank-in-the-toilet-of-a-children's-charity-man made himself known to us.

Owen Jones is a man of principle.

And a trans ally to the core.

We know this.

No doubt he will resign from his job at The Guardian in protest at this blatant transphobia and wrongsideofhistoryness.

I'm waiting.

Yeah, I don't quite follow Mahdawi's thinking. I'm guessing she isn't familiar with the concept of female penis? How transphobic of her to suggest that a male-born person's legs can be female but his genitalia can't.
And she writes the "Week in Patriarchy newsletter on feminism and sexism".

It’s far too late for the Guardian to make amends now. They gleefully encouraged the woke bros to fuck over women’s rights and have treated us like 2nd class citizens. Well this second class citizen will never click on one of their articles of buy their paper ever again.

The JY article is atrocious, just saying how awful everyone else is even the worst people in the world are transphobic lol

Second article is a very small step in the right direction.

I agree with other posters the Guardian article is just outrageous. Focus is on trans right. No acknowledgement at all the the situation the women being sued are in. Let alone its a white male coersing minority women. Such an indicment of the Guardian's true politics.

And the Observer has always been trans critical and has obviously been waiting behind the barricades to see which way the wind is blowing before doing a summary of what other news outlets have been saying. A sort of hollow "we agree".

You're an allegedly progressive outlet, why the fuck are you giving voice to this Mumsnet bullshit

Remember they aren't silencing anyone.

For an allegedly progressive outlet, they don't seem to give a sh&t about brown women from minority backgrounds once those women's rights 'intersect' with those of a transwoman.

Just on ‘The Week in Patriarchy’, I used to subscribe when it was written by Jessica Valenti, then she suddenly disappeared. I’m wondering if that was because she’s GC? I haven’t read enough of her writing to know where she stands, just an idle thought.

Coming on to post link to second article. As someone upthread said, it’s a start. Almost unthinkable that this would have appeared in the Guardian a year ago.

The first article is bullshit:

“But, hang on a minute, what if the person who wants their intimate areas to be waxed is a woman with male genitalia?”

A woman with male genitalia? No such thing exists. The whole article is just the “no true trans” rationale recycled.

The observer article is a start, but still too little, too late.

I should be pleased but think they’ve finally arrived at the party because they’ve seen which way the wind is blowing and cynically tacked. It’s a good development I suppose but hate hypocrisy and they’re now placing themselves in a moral authority role against something they helped create, or at least protected by labelling any critic transphobic.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they broke a huge scandal exposing piece about the whole thing and then go on to win a load of awards patting themselves on the back about how how great they are. Same as it ever was

It’s beginning to remind me of how the woke bros supported the PIE group in the 80s and then rapidly tried to distance themselves from it. I’m looking at you Harriet Harman. Also Peter Tatchell has retained him Royal status but suspect he’ll lose it eventually

Sorry but I think the Mahdawi 'Opinion' is total shit. Disingenuous total shit. First para lulls you into a false sense of security with it's 'clearly no'. But the second paragraph si what she's really thinking.

"While the Yaniv case has been going on for a while now, you may not have heard much about it, as it has largely been covered by the rightwing press. The sort of outlets that normally joke about consent and women’s rights are now outraged that women are being forced to handle male genitalia against their will. The sort of writers that are normally whipping up hate against immigrants are now outraged and concerned that at least one of the beautificians that Yaniv has filed complaints against is a poor migrant. In short there has been a hell of a lot of bad faith and transphobia involved in the reporting around the case. A number of the world’s worst people have used the story as an example of “political correctness gone mad” and as a way to stoke hatred against trans people."

So, to cover her/Graun's arse, she's dismissive of all the outlets who have covered the story that her precious left-wing press has been to fastidious to touch. Accusing them of hypocrisy, 'they'd normally be racist but they'd rather be transphobic' approach that she's using - projecting much, sweetie?

So no, I don't think this indicates any shift.

FetLife is still getting the glamour treatment though...

Sorry but females/women do not have penises. My DS is 3 and knows this...

What world are we living in?!

I agree with all of you about one of the articles being very dismissive. It was all 'of course JY is a troll but everyone else is still a right wing bigot and check out how woke I am.'

How cringe worthy of her to look down on the 'right wing' press which actually had the courage to report the truth about the ideology and the harms it is doing when the Guardian were shamefully not only silent but actually pushing this harmful ideology onto society.

I think they might start slowly shifting that viewpoint though as more of the truth comes to light.

I will never again rely on the Guardian for my news after realising I'd missed out on hearing about this entire issue for two whole years because of the left wing media blackout. I commend the 'right wing' press for actually reporting it, thank goodness they did otherwise we could all have been sleepwalking into a nightmare.

Men aren't women, trans women aren't women. The sooner we get back to facing & acknowledging such a hugely traumatic reality for the snowflake generation the better. Every time I leave the house I wear a "Woman = Adult Human Female" home made lanyard. No-one's erasing me from existence.

"you may not have heard much about it, as it has largely been covered by the rightwing press."

Honestly. Has this woman had an irony bypass?

Agree that the Observer piece is good but it's a different editor.

The Guardian are going to have to work harder to regain trust with women. So no more ££ from me for the forseeable. I've only read Hadley Freeman's columns for the last year but she's now on maternity leave.

It seems to me that Arwa Mahdawi needs to spend a bit more time reading what her fellow journalists in the "right wing press" have been reporting. JY is not the only outlier as she seems to think.

The trouble is, once you see, you can't unsee. I think she's in for a rude awakening.

Yes agreed the first article is crap.

The writer also says that if it was leg waxing then JY would have been absolutely right to take action. Ummmm.... NO. If any of these women didn't want a male person in their home, or to go to a male person's home, or to provide any grooming to any part of a male body, that is 100% their prerogative, and their being dragged through court proceedings for that would be equally unjust and oppressive.

^^ this. Oh and a woman with male genitalia? Ffs. Just no.

The minimising in the Mahdawi article is spectacular.

at least one of the beautificians that Yaniv has filed complaints against is a poor migrant.

At least one? I may not of followed every last twist and turn of this fiasco but from what I have read the vast majority if not all of Yaniv's victims in this case are immigrant/not white women.

The piece reminds me very much of the embarrassing nonsense spouted by Gaby Hinsliff in relation to the New Year assaults in Cologne a few years back. Yes women were sexually assaulted, but really it was about robbing them and they shouldn't have been flashing their mobile phones about like uber privileged hussies, and anyway the important thing is to never agree with the right wing about anything.

Fuck that noise. Wrong is wrong.

Absolute fucking cheek of Arwa Mahdawi.

While the Yaniv case has been going on for a while now, you may not have heard much about it, as it has largely been covered by the rightwing press ignored by the left wing press, including the Guardian.

Fixed it.

If those women had refused to wax Yaniv’s legs because they had a problem with her being trans then she would have been absolutely right to take action.

If this was happening in the UK those women would have been protected even if it was a leg wax.

27(1)A person does not contravene section 29, so far as relating to sex discrimination, by providing a service only to persons of one sex if—

(a)any of the conditions in sub-paragraphs (2) to (7) is satisfied, and

(b)the limited provision is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

...

(7)The condition is that—

(a)there is likely to be physical contact between a person (A) to whom the service is provided and another person (B), and

(b)B might reasonably object if A were not of the same sex as B.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/schedule/3/part/7/crossheading/singlesex-services

The explanatory notes make it clear and include an example that the single sex services exception would allow -

a massage service to be provided to women only by a female massage therapist with her own business operating in her clients’ homes because she would feel uncomfortable massaging men in that environment.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/20/7/4