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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mordaunt gone

114 replies

MrsSnippyPants · 24/07/2019 16:55

And I’m glad

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ThePurported · 24/07/2019 21:37

I agree Popchyk. It shouldn't be a part-time job that is given to whichever woman in the cabinet is willing to take it on. The GEO calls the shots, the minister is just a mouthpiece.

Popchyk · 24/07/2019 21:43

TRAs won't be happy though.

Maria Miller did exactly what she was told to do by the trans lobby. But didn't last long enough in the job to get the law changed.

And Mordaunt was compliant and repeated the mantras until the backlash gained traction in the media. Then she was largely silent.

Rudd has been on the carousel before. Knows some of the issues at least, knows that self-ID is getting ever more controversial. Knows that Miller and Mordaunt rightly got flak for their lack of any thought about the impact on women.

An astute politician would be able to use that to her advantage.

But Rudd will just ignore it and hope it goes away. She'll be in another ministerial position in 6 months so she'll keep her head down and hope to move to a more prominent department. No way is Rudd going to force through self-ID and risk her career. She didn't last time she was at W&E. And won't do it now.

That's a problem for the TRAs.

OvaHere · 24/07/2019 21:55

Posting this here from the other thread. Free text box to tell Boris your most pressing issues.

views.conservatives.com/priorities?fbclid=IwAR0tZ9rtdVdAtvOy70Ah8Vbntn8Vfu6z2Hs1gcrc5qVfODeIo7Nvw2YHb9c

OvaHere · 24/07/2019 22:02

A LOT of this never happens shit has happened since Rudd last held the post including a big pushback in Scotland thanks to Joan & Joanna.

She will be aware of this and therefore may just keep kicking it down the road which is better than forging ahead with self ID but it doesn't address the issues of many organisations disregarding the Equality Act or the increasingly pressing issue of medical whistleblowing about the welfare of gender confused children.

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 24/07/2019 22:11

Would it help if we contacted Amber Rudd to get our views heard about self ID? I know those lobby groups will be contacting her immediately to try to get their views heard.

Macareaux · 24/07/2019 22:17

Spot on Popchyk

LoveGrowsWhere · 24/07/2019 22:21

I think it's time to write again to Conservative MPs & spell out the opportunity for a clear & wide policy difference from Lab/Lib on GRA. Most pundits think a general election will be called in less than a year and with Brexit & summer recess there is a need for some ideas in other policy areas to shout about.

TurboTeddy · 25/07/2019 00:06

I think we need to get some campaign on social media going which spells out that the women's vote will go to whichever party knows what a woman is. Brexit might be the bigger, more immediate issue but it's such a shit show now, I think it's out of our hands.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 25/07/2019 07:25

OP your link to your that thread about Carrie has given me hope. There is no way she thinks transwomen are literally women, she knows too much about the realities of being female. I'm sure she wants trans people to be protected from discrimination and violence just like we do, but not that a male becomes female on his say so.

ZebrasAreBras · 25/07/2019 08:17

The TRAs are already lobbying Amber Rudd. They don't hang around.

So I think as many women as possible contacting her to point out women's sex-based rights, and rights to single sex spaces, would be good. And the situation in Canada, of course.

We are, for the worst possible reasons, fortunate to have the example of Canada - who are paving the way and flagging up the horrific issues that are the end result of this sort of TWAW legislation.

Also Scotland - surely Rudd will look at how/why Scotland puts the brakes on this legislation too?

Boris will have his hands full with brexit.

FormerMediocreMale · 25/07/2019 08:57

Turbo

Brexit will get plenty of support/coverage anyway so I think a big campaign regarding women voting for a party that knows what a woman is might be a good idea.

I filled in the link for the conservative party and made it clear what a woman is and that trans rights need to be separate to women's rights and the safe guarding of women and children. If enough women do the same hopefully they will realise this is an important issue.

I don't know how BJ feels about Salvini but both are anti EU so he may want them onside, so Italy considering banning puberty blockers is good news - it's bloody fantastic news anyway. If CS is good friends with Nimco that is great news as she will hopefully understand what a woman is and the issues faced because of biology rather than identity.

Feeling a bit more positive about him being PM now.

MrsSnippyPants · 25/07/2019 09:00

twitter.com/ReSistersU/status/1154293990105255936

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LizzieSiddal · 25/07/2019 15:03

Ambers pinned Tweet.

Thrilled and honoured to be reappointed to the
@DWP
and also take on
@WomenEqualities

.

I look forward to continuing my work to improve the welfare system and I’ll do everything I can to help women and girls improve their lives.

Let’s hope she means it!

FormerMediocreMale · 25/07/2019 15:16

I look forward to continuing my work to improve the welfare system and I’ll do everything I can to help women and girls improve their lives.

Good as long as she knows what a woman is.

LoveGrowsWhere · 25/07/2019 15:22

Quick off the mark there ReSisters! Nice one.

LangCleg · 25/07/2019 15:45

Every new face pitches up not knowing anything about the GRA and its proposed reform, listens gravely to the Stonewall civil servants telling their tales of suicide and erasure of transfolx, and the Minister then goes forth to repeat what the GEO staff have instructed her to say.

I agree.

Needmoresleep · 25/07/2019 16:09

Timing is interesting though. Mordaunt confirms legislation is going through, despite knowing Boris had the leadership in the bag. Was she naively hoping this was reason to keep her on, or was she signalling her ally status.

Then Pink News report that it has been kicked into the long grass before Rudd is appointed. And then Rudd emphasises "women and girls". My guess is that the party has decided this one goes on the back burner. It is tge advice editors of the Times, Spectator and Mail will have given if they were not able to work it out for themselves.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 25/07/2019 16:23

Stonewall is already asking everyone to contact their MP in support of GRA reform so we need to get our voices heard. They also have a website fill in form to make it easier.

WhereAreWeNow · 25/07/2019 16:28

My gut feeling is that Rudd is GC - perhaps not in public but in private. I hope I'm right.

I guarantee Boris couldn't give a flying f*ck about trans rights or women's rights. I imagine he's critical of trans people in a boorish, bigoted kind of way rather than being thoughtfully critical of gender ideology IYSWIM. I suspect Carrie Symons is GC from what people have said upthread. I also suspect people like Andrew Gilligan have Boris's ear.

Overall, I think Boris is a disaster for the country and is no friend of feminists but I also think it he will extinguish the GRA reform project.

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/07/2019 11:24

Regarding his sister though, I do think she's GC. She's written a few pieces around the issue:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4121112/RACHEL-JOHNSON-told-class-call-Richard-Did-trans-kid.html

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 26/07/2019 13:15

Amber Rudd is sitting on a majority of 346. She will be very vulnerable in any general election to even a small number of women switching sides over this.

ThePurported · 26/07/2019 13:43

Good point, Always.
I don't know whether Rudd is GC or not, and it's irrelevant anyway because she is not a conviction politician. She is driven by her own political survival (and that of her party).
As Home Secretary, her defence re the Windrush scandal was that she hadn't read the memos, so I fully expect her to let civil servants dictate her stance on self-id.

AutumnCrow · 26/07/2019 16:14

It must be possible to mobilise women voters, and their concerned male relatives and friends, in Hastings and Rye to focus Amber Rudd's mind on this. Local FB groups, for instance.

MrsSnippyPants · 26/07/2019 23:09

Another gender critical voice heading into No. 10!

twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/1154875340117958656?s=21

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GCAcademic · 26/07/2019 23:19

Was just coming on to post that bit of news, Snippy!

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/26/boris-johnson-appoints-arch-critic-of-hs2-as-transport-adviser