Things you hadn't thought about.

[TurboTeddy]

Just saw this on twitter and realised it's a very good question. The poster earned a Twitter suspension for asking how would the police know whether to look for a man or transwoman if they found male DNA at a crime scene. Will the police have access to a database with info about everyone issued with a GRC? Would that be legal?

mobile.twitter.com/LesleySemmens/status/1153771449783660544/photo/1

Twitter is a farce. It is a good question though. Having a list of people with GRAs wouldn't help without a record of their DNA as well. I think they can access records. What if they need to test the DNA of all men in an area, which they occasionally do. Would all the transwomen be excluded?

On the plus side, every time the TRAs and Twitter try to suppress the truth, they just bring more attention to it. It really is a home goal.

If they had a database and decided to DNA screen all males in an area, including TW, could the TW decline because they thought it was transphobic? I'm hoping someone will come along and tell me it's all been thought through and there is provision made within the law for this eventuality. If not then self ID is even more terrifying than I thought.

Pretty sure they’re not allowed to enforce screening in that way anyway.

No ones really answered what description they would put out fir a missing person.

Especially a child where hou couldn't do that ridiculous thing like last time where police issued a "woman may be dressed as a man " thing.

Would they really risk not finding someone and having the public looking for the wrong person?

I remember a case recently where a man was on the run but the police description sent out to officers was he was a woman, I think that was right. I'll look up the details when I can and post back. I understand that TWAW still stand in the police service even when the police are looking for a man.

AnyOldPrion
I think there have been cases where they have tried to screen large numbers of men but I think it was voluntary and it helped rule people out of the investigation. I can't remember which case though, I keep thinking Yorkshire Ripper but that was too early for DNA screening I think.

turboteddy it was during the hunt for Colin Pitchfork that DNA testing was first used, though Pitchfork dodged the test by getting someone to front for him, and that bloke was overheard in a pub saying he'd done so, leading to Pitchfork's arrest.

umbel
Thank you, I remembered the perpetrator dodged the screening which ultimately lead to them being caught.

It was Daniel Reeves who went on the run after being charged for a second time for committing sexual offences against children.

The police very helpfully told the public to be on the lookout for "Ella Davies". They did not include a photograph of Ella.

twitter.com/DotAtomosBlog/status/1130569106728443904

They issued a detailed description of the offender's motorbike, but no hint that Ella was actually Daniel Reeves, biological male who is a convicted sex offender.

The police were presumably baffled when the public was unable to locate Ella.

This is Ella.

That is an incredibly important and valid question. Also another example of how there is no thought of how wide and far problems with self ID will reach.

And a question that got the poster booted off Twitter until she deleted it. Yet, the video of the wanking transwoman is still doing the rounds.

Who exactly are the mods on Twitter?

Popchyk

That is scary. That’s exactly why we’ve all been questioning this. Wtf is wrong with the police? Why aren’t they objecting to this bullshit, it’s impacting their ability to do their job.

There was another one on the run, wasn't there? And the police said to look out for a woman who might be presenting as a man.

Who exactly are the mods on Twitter

Oh. Oh. I know.

Pathetic incels with a porn addiction.

Someone on twitter should point this out to Fair Cop, if it hasn't been already.

What jail was that pervert put in, when he finally gave up? (He was dressed as a man when captured, MNHQ, in case anyone starts bleating about misgendering) Does anyone know?

Craig/Lisa Hauxwell is the Crimewatch offender.

Fugitive sex offender caught after Crimewatch appeal

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39209982

Described in the article as committing the sexual offences as a man, convicted and sentenced as a woman, went on the run, and was caught "living as man".

Crimewatch had earlier asked the public to be on the lookout for a woman who may be dressed as a man.

When he was found, it was a man dressed as a man.

Local news constantly referred to the missing woman.

"Lisa Lacey, aged 47, who also uses the name Lisa Hauxwell and Lisa Hauxley, has been missing since Sunday, April 3".

www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/missing-woman-dressed-as-man-seen-in-dronfield-1-7873949

Missing woman dressed as a man, FFS. Do we need to start a gaslighting thread?

Lisa Lacey, aged 47, who also uses the name Lisa Hauxwell and Lisa Hauxley, has been missing since Sunday, April 3

Yet never mentioned his other previous name, Craig. Dead names are bullshite and lead to this nonsense. Can you imagine how his poor victims and their families felt, knowing the police were more concerned about misgendering this pervert, rather than catching him? They should be ashamed of themselves.

Thanks, Popchyk!

See GRA 2004, section 22 [Prohibition on disclosure of information]

subsection 4d, 4e and 4f

(4) But it is not an offence under this section to disclose protected information relating to a person if—

(d) the disclosure is in accordance with an order of a court or tribunal,
(e) the disclosure is for the purpose of instituting, or otherwise for the purposes of, proceedings before a court or tribunal,
(f) the disclosure is for the purpose of preventing or investigating crime,

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/22

See also GRA Section 9 and associated Explanatory Note [para 28]

28. Subsection (2) provides amplification of subsection (1), making clear that the recognition is not retrospective, so the certificate does not rewrite the gender history of the transsexual person, and that the new gender applies for the interpretation of enactments, instruments and documents made before as well as after the issue of a certificate.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/notes/division/4

All of the above only| applies to someone who has obtained a GRC.

Where a person does not have a GRC there is no prohibition on disclosure of information. So a man should be referred to as a man and his known name[s] can be used, regardless of whatever stage he may be in any transition process.

Feel like I could do Male Sex Offenders Changing Their Gender Identity as a specialist subject round on Mastermind, Lang.

There is plenty of material.

I wonder what will happen to the crime of indecent exposure.