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Newsnight tonight: Britain's Experimented with Puberty blockers

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Campervan69 · 22/07/2019 20:38

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49036145

From Heather B-E:

"Britain's experiment with puberty blockers is set to be exposed tonight on Newsnight BBC 2 at 10.30 pm. Michael Biggs chapter in our latest book broke the story! t.co/FV5FLye1oX"

This should be interesting....

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HumberElla · 22/07/2019 23:10

HRA threatened investigation and then did nothing

Meanwhile gids lowered the age limit

EweSurname · 22/07/2019 23:10

BBC sharing concerns with health research agency!

BigotedWoman · 22/07/2019 23:11

I suppose with the BBC it was always going to be baby steps.

newtlover · 22/07/2019 23:11

i really question how children can give informed consent, the teenaer they showed more or less admitted no teenager will ever take any notice of risks of adverse outcomes
(see also, smoking, drugs, motorbikes etc)

CassianAndor · 22/07/2019 23:11

Yes, she was.

I’m finding this women’s delivery deeply irritating.

So far, nothing she has said is news to me. And why have they not clearly stated that PBs followed by cross sex hormones causes sterility?

EweSurname · 22/07/2019 23:11

Health research authority, sorry

HumberElla · 22/07/2019 23:11

Subject demands open and honest debate

RedToothBrush · 22/07/2019 23:12

i really question how children can give informed consent

They can't.

That's the point.

CassianAndor · 22/07/2019 23:12

So no further discussion. I can’t help but feel that the production of that film did the subject no favours whatsoever.

EweSurname · 22/07/2019 23:13

I think this is a huge step - the bbc are calling for higher standards of healthcare and research. It’s a massive sea change on this topic

endofthelinefinally · 22/07/2019 23:13

There was a lot of superficial waffle in that. IMO.
A lot of factual, scientific information was deliberately left out.

LangCleg · 22/07/2019 23:13

I suppose with the BBC it was always going to be baby steps.

By the BBC's standards, that was a hard hitting piece on this issue.

It's just embarrassing how far behind the curve they are.

newtlover · 22/07/2019 23:14

it's a start

TinselAngel · 22/07/2019 23:14

BBC making some progress but with delivery strangely reminiscent of Philomena Cunk.

Erythronium · 22/07/2019 23:14

The park bench and the abandoned scooter in an empty attic was like an episode of Brass Eye.

HumberElla · 22/07/2019 23:14

Well that was a very different tone of delivery. Framed as a highly disturbing and serious issue.

Nothing new, all information we’ve been pointing at for eons, but ... Newsnight.

littlbrowndog · 22/07/2019 23:14

Cripes.

Despite sad music and faces. I think message was clear

Wtaf are GIDS up to. And nhs research panel

And why were theyallowed to drop the age of kids getting these untested drugs

Who was pressuring for this to happen and who made the descion that this would happen

LangCleg · 22/07/2019 23:15

BBC making some progress but with delivery strangely reminiscent of Philomena Cunk.

OMG. That was exactly it.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 22/07/2019 23:15

The content was good - Michael Biggs' research has been excellent and he's uncovered so much about this scandal.
The presentation was dire BUT the detail and the ending .. "this demands open and honest debate" was refreshing from the BBC

BigotedWoman · 22/07/2019 23:15

Tinsel now that would be worth watching - a TRA vs Cunk.

HumberElla · 22/07/2019 23:18

Yes the delivery was hammy which was a shame. It’s either Brave and Stunning staring into the middle distance with violins, or flowers in the attic.

RedToothBrush · 22/07/2019 23:18

Threadbaretoe posted this on another thread about GIDS earlier today

I think the GIDs website confirms some of Kirsty's claims. For example.... "Historically, our service used the terms "natal / born" or "biological" to describe the sex and gender someone was identified as at birth. However, we try where possible to avoid these terms now as some people feel that they privilege biology over their lived and felt identity".

To which I simply replied

How can the culture be one which centralises and encourages informed consent and without undue pressure, when they are too scared and its considered too sensitive to mention biological reality?

It becomes increasingly clear to me that the leadership of GIDS has become so lost in the politics and their own bias that they simply do not understand basic principles around medical consent and ethical medicine. They do not understand the need for quality research.

This is a time bomb scandal. A complete safeguarding disaster zone and when it all unravels, I really think criminal charges wouldn't be inappropriate.

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Campervan69 · 22/07/2019 23:18

Ha ha I was thinking Alan Partridge crossed with Brass Eye.

But good that questions are being asked I guess. It was pretty dull I would think to the average viewer and very strangely presented.

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boatyardblues · 22/07/2019 23:19

The park bench and the abandoned scooter in an empty attic was like an episode of Brass Eye.

The spooky loft was something special and I was itching to give the filthy door a good wash down. Michael Biggs and Susan Bewley very good though. It’s a start, but we need more scrutiny of this area of practice.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/07/2019 23:20

Susan Bewley is a brilliant woman. She's one of the medics who wrote to the Lancet and BMJ.

She gives zero fucks. She's far too smart for that.