FFS LibDems totally lost cause

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Both contenders spouting TWAW and Ed Dave adding TMAM. Jo Swinson giving it the denying existence spin. What happened to politicians' ability to think? Presenter cut off mid-question about feminist view. Bloody state of all our parties one way or another.

Not surprising, but where/when?

What was this on?

Not sure what it was on as remote control was out of my hands! Panel questioning JS and ED. Female chair. About 20 minutes ago.

Here:

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0006xfg/politics-live-liberal-democrat-hustings

Jo Swinson tweeted a video of Sarah Brown supporting her the other day, along the lines of how touched she was to have support from Brown (‘so brave’)

That’s Sarah Brown, of delightful “suck my formaldehyde pickled balls” fame etc, who got Cambridge city council to get rid of single sex toilets, remove ‘sex’ from the council equality protected categories and replace with ‘gender’, amongst other things.

twitter.com/joswinson/status/1151189885929365506?s=21

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/cambridge-transgender-toilets-ann-sinnott-14975106

I agree Lib Dems are a completely lost cause, I have voted for them in the past, I cannot now - they are explicitly anti-women.

Did enjoy the #s in the comments though
#Bollockstomisogny
#Bollockstopatronisingpoliticians
#BollocksToPoliticalPartiesInMeltdown
#BollocksToBanwagonJumpingPoliticiansWhoHaventDoneTheirHomework
#pickledbollockstotransphobia

Love those #s.

I have voted LibDem in the past. I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole now.

I thought Sarah Brown was the Lib Dem councillor got into trouble for tweeting 'kill all men' and similar, but it turns out that was Sarah Noble.

Jo Swinson tweeted a video of Sarah Brown supporting her the other day

Christ that video is creepy.

She has put TWAW on Twitter. But not on Facebook, as far as I can see.

twitter.com/joswinson/status/1152287460430405633

Well that's me off to join the Greens then. Oh hang on..

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1152536786360553472

"When it comes to teaching LGBTQIA education there should be no opting out"

"I am proud to support reform of the GRA so that it is simpler and does not ever require medical evidence"

Caroline Lucas 20/07/19

Had such high hopes for JS. From everything I've heard, she's a thinker. And Caroline Lucas is fab on so much else.

Just leaves me baffled. What has the TWAW etc movement got on these people? How have they got so many otherwise seemingly rational politicians (I'm thinking of you too Andy Burnham) to spout such fantasist drivel?

Just leaves me baffled. What has the TWAW etc movement got on these people? How have they got so many otherwise seemingly rational politicians (I'm thinking of you too Andy Burnham) to spout such fantasist drivel?

Think of an efficient and effective subject teacher who gets it all from the big book of lesson plans. That, basically, is most politicians today. That is why people find the likes of Trump and Johnson so refreshing when they go off-teleprompt.

Looking at the twitter link it is heartening to see so many people calling her out on it though.

Stephen O'Brien, LibDem City Councillor in Sunderland has gone one better: Trans women are fucking women!

twitter.com/SOB2100/status/1152542286833754112

Quality reply to that tweet

Lord Edwardd @tommytuck39*
Replying to @SOB2100 and @sarforalltosee

Trans women are fucking women. And then calling themselves lesbians. It's nuts isn't it!

We also still have the unanswered question of Aimee Challenors fiancés’ mad twitter rant about child rape fantasies, inappropriate communication with a minor, etc.

Thread:
Nathaniel Knight (partner of Aimee Challenor); worrying twitter admissions

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3639203-Nathaniel-Knight-partner-of-Aimee-Challenor-worrying-twitter-admissions

Nathaniel’s twitter has been deleted since, but there are screenshots in the thread.

It seems the Lib Dems have more that a few issues.

So we are in no doubt that the next leader of the LibDems is going to push this dangerous narrative TWAW.

These politicians are quite happy to screw over half the population in order to tag along on the progressive bandwagon.

I am so angry about the misogyny displayed by Ed Davey reporting back to twitter after his MN webchat- the smug, good for nothing arse - that I hope Jo Swinson wins. But since she's quite happy to throw her own sex under the bus too, then we've nothing to gain from a female Lib Dem leader.

Coventry Lib Dems are blocking anyone raising concerns about Aimee Challenor. They're a disgrace - the lot of them.

www.thesocialreview.co.uk/2019/07/21/jo-swinson-said-trans-rights/

A whole article basically saying LibDem views good, Mumsnet bad.

But I do read these things to try to find the kernel of the ideology. Here, I think it is "The medicalisation of identification and transitioning is unjustifiable and I believe it breaches our human rights obligations."

Medicalisation of identification? The doctor has a look when you're born, that's it.

LibDems are biology deniers.

That's crackers. If the 'medicalization of identification' is so wrong, wtf do you want prescriptions for hormones, and surgery on chests, breasts and genitals for???

Talk about facing both ways...

TBH if they are anti medical gatekeeping they are anti NHS. The reason that the NHS continues to function at all is medical gatekeeping. Highly trained GPs in fact. You think medicine has no place in transition? Well then stop saying any part of it is assisted by medical treatment, ban online pharmacies from importing hormones and stop pretending something changes about a person's sex with transition. Stop calling it transition in fact.

Right now some very unstable people are latching on to socially approved transition as a way of expressing not their inner opposite-sex-ness but their inner turmoil, need for acceptance and need to try and shed their previous persona(e). This is so, so not the time to reduce medical gatekeeping and override safeguarding.

Jo is my MP. I supported her enthusiastically in the last election because she was the only one with any chance of getting the SNP out. Which she did.

But I did tweet in response to that "trans women are women" tweet saying that she would lose my vote over that stance. No response. Lots of response from people like the "seven foot tall transgender lesbian" suggesting I vote for UKIP as they welcome bigots.

Seriously though. I can't vote Lib Dem. Won't vote Labour. Will never, ever, ever vote SNP even though Joan McAlpine is fabulous. Conservatives don't do well in this area.

No choice.

I am so angry about the misogyny displayed by Ed Davey reporting back to twitter after his MN webchat- the smug, good for nothing arse - that I hope Jo Swinson wins. But since she's quite happy to throw her own sex under the bus too, then we've nothing to gain from a female Lib Dem leader.

I voted for Jo Swinson after I saw Ed's idiotic response. Didn't see much difference between the two of them in any policy area, so this was the deal breaker for me. Swinson is no better on women's issues but Ed came across as a total plonker.
I think the party brass have allowed personal friendships to influence policy, which is never a good thing. I won't vote for them again until they get a grip on this issue, and I've been a member since Charles Kennedy's days.

What was Ed Davey posting about mumsnet?!? Missed that one.

I read that Margot James is thinking of leaving the Tories and joining the LibDems.

I have a lot of time for Margot. Our paths crossed at University. She is practical and sensible, and a lesbian- if that matters. I can understand why shd has her doubts about Boris. I do.

But she can't join that shower that is the LibDems. She just can't.

Lumene I believe it was this web chat, the OP includes the twitter thread by Ed Davey (I’ve checked the twitter and it’s still there)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3615424-Ed-Davey-Webchat?msgid=87902986