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Nathaniel Knight (partner of Aimee Challenor); worrying twitter admissions

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GirlDownUnder · 16/07/2019 02:58

Recently spotted on Twitter and reported today

@ bunifoosh
This is Aimee Challenor’s partner. This needs reported (to the police preferably).

Bunifosh is posting inresponse to a thread started by Nathaniel Knight @ kharonalpua (Aimees’ partner)

And lastly
Nathaniels’ post was because poster Whistleblower11097 posted on a current MN thread -
That post as been deleted

The content highlighted by bunifosh is worrying, but of greater concern is the thread from Nathaniel as it’s direct from the horses mouth, and admits to child rape fantasies, inappropriate communication with a minor, etc.

Aimee Challenor (from wiki)
Aimee Challenor (born 1 October 1997) is a British politician and transgender activist and former spokesperson for the Green Party of England and Wales. In 2017, she stood for election in Coventry South, receiving 1.3% of the votes. In 2018, her father, who had been serving as her election agent, was convicted and jailed for sexual offences against a child, leading to Challenor's suspension from the party during an investigation. She later resigned and is currently a member of the Liberal Democrats.

Aimee has been dragged into this as Nathaniel tweeted in the above linked thread
“So how can @ AimeeChallenor work with vulnerable teenagers when she's in a relationship with me? I don't have a violent bone in my body, and I have no interest in real children. In more than half of my lifetime, I have not "graduated" from a fetish for fantasy children to...”

The optics are not good for Aimee or the Liberal Democrats.

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ProbablyShouldntbut · 16/07/2019 11:28

Just waiting for the "Concern is Transphobic" and "Safeguarding is for Transphobes" memes , T shirts, placards at pride etc ...

FermatsTheorem · 16/07/2019 11:50

Tirisfal - I think that's a very accurate assessment of fandom. I too wrote a lot of fanfic (still dabble occasionally). What follows is a bit of a digression, so by all means skip as a tl:dr. But I think it's useful to get a bit of an idea of how fandom works, so you can place the inevitable "this guy's just writing fanfic - it's fantasy, leave him alone, free expression, yada yada" defences which will inevitably spring up as this shit gets a wider audience.

The TL:DR version is - yes fandom tackles some nasty stuff some of the time (sometimes because the person writing it genuinely is a perve, sometimes because they are a victim of abuse trying to use writing to process that abuse, and sometimes because someone is trying to write about the shit that goes on in the world without endorsing it), and there isn't enough critical thinking around it, and too much of an "acceptance without exception" vibe, which means it's difficult to do feminist critiques of what goes on and to protect vulnerable youngsters who are drawn into the fandom scene.

I do think there's been a bit of a shift in attitudes with more of an emphasis on "your kink is not my kink and that's okay" (nope, some kinks are not, and never will be okay, as far as I'm concerned) and also more of a tone-policing aspect to it all. You can't say "actually this is downright nasty, for x,y,z reasons" any more in the comments - you'll get a pile on for "kink shaming" and "policing fandom" (often with a side order of "be nice - these writers are traumatised people writing as catharsis, so you musn't question the fact that they're writing incest/rape/underage shite, because... niceness, inclusion, etc.")

Not only does it mean you can't say "what you're writing is to the detriment of the readers", you can't actually criticise writing style either (gone are the days when you could say "actually this is a shit piece of writing, back to the drawing board, install a spelling/grammar checker on your laptop for fucksake, and get a beta reader.") But at the same time there's a whole load of virtue signalling - you will generate an absolute pile-on if one of your protagonists has anything less than totally PC views (even if it would be historically innacurate for them to have PC views, or you're trying to explore how good people sometimes do/believe bad stuff). Only superheroes and pantomime villains are tolerated. This spills over into mainstream culture too - witness the huge twitter outrage, not to mention outrage among broadsheet newspaper reviewers, who really should know better than to climb into the ball pit with the toddlers, over "fat-shaming" Thor in the latest Avengers film.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 16/07/2019 12:04

TRAs consider safeguarding transphobic. I should point out that plenty of responsible trans people - Miranda Yardley, for example - see efforts to undermine safeguarding as anathema.

SarahTancredi · 16/07/2019 12:08

Just waiting for the "Concern is Transphobic" and "Safeguarding is for Transphobes" memes , T shirts, placards at pride etc

What, like privacy being transphobic? Everyone remember the article that had someone state that these floor to ceiling petitions in gender neutral bathrooms were transphobic cos if theres no gap under the doors it means we dont trust them blah blah blah

How much further are they gonna go ffs. It couldn't be more obvious and yet its ignored every time

ZebrasAreBras · 16/07/2019 12:08

Yup, looks like we really can't say it. Even on a parenting website.

We can't draw attention to the abject failures in safeguarding and child protection that are happening before our very eyes. On a parenting website.

In plain sight.

FermatsTheorem · 16/07/2019 12:10

TRAs consider safeguarding transphobic. I should point out that plenty of responsible trans people - Miranda Yardley, for example - see efforts to undermine safeguarding as anathema.

Absolutely Prawn. The problem here, though, is institutional capture - somehow, the most extreme voices are the ones who've got their foot in the door - training the police and NHS, amending the Bench Guidelines for judges, the BBC, Guardian, Independent, getting into schools.

Any other political movement, politicians and institutions would be seeking out the moderate voices like Miranda and Debbie Hayton (I know some people on here have problems with the latter, but Hayton is one of the more moderate voices). What's really weird is that in this instance they're listening to the voices of people like Action on Trans Health.

It's a bit like saying "well, I can get my information on Christianity from the Methodists, or the C of E, but you know what, I'm going to let the agenda be set by the Westboro Baptists..."

I still don't know how this con trick has been pulled off.

FormerMediocreMale · 16/07/2019 12:21

autism and transgenderism are not 'get out of jail free' cards when it comes to child safe-guarding.


FloatOn · 16/07/2019 12:22

I saw this earlier on twitter and reported the thread, haven't heard anything back from them obvs.

HebeMumsnet · 16/07/2019 12:24

Morning, everyone. We've had to make a few deletions on this thread and we really don't want to have to take the whole thing down. It sounds like there are some important issues here that need discussion. Could we just ask everyone to bear our guidelines in mind, keep comments civil and avoid any speculation that might lead to us having to remove the thread altogether? Thanks for your help.

LangCleg · 16/07/2019 12:27

Just waiting for the "Concern is Transphobic" and "Safeguarding is for Transphobes" memes , T shirts, placards at pride etc

Oh, already there.

Well, yes, obviously rumours are facts.They don't have to show you anything at all. You're basically mad because trans people want to enjoy themselves. "Safeguarding" is just another TERF dogwhistle.

Safeguarding. The new TERF dogwhistle.

JanMeyer · 16/07/2019 12:28

Fuck NO. Hes not fucking "vulnerable". Hes very articulate!

Just wanted to point out that being very articulate doesn't preclude an autistic person being vulnerable.
It's assumptions like that which make it difficult for verbal autistic adults to get any support.
To be clear, I'm just pointing out the erroneous assumptions about autism on this thread, I'm not arguing that NK is vulnerable.

Regarding this guy being autistic, he seems to be able to carry on a transatlantic relationship with Aimee Challenor so pretty able. You have to be very vulnerable indeed to not be liable for criminal charges. I've recently been diagnosed with ASD and dyspraxia.

So you've recently been diagnosed with ASD and already you're deciding another autistic person is "pretty able" on the basis that he can carry out a relationship online. Wow, way to spread myths about autism. Being able to communicate online hardly makes a person "pretty able", it means they can type. It's certainly no indicator of their ability to function in every day life. When ignorance like that comes from a person diagnosed with ASD what chance is there of the NT part of the population knowing any better?

Eggotchi · 16/07/2019 12:31

@formermediocremale this entirely.

My experience with a paedophile involved his barrister getting a psychologist to tell the jury that he can't have done all the horrible things he did because he's autistic and can't lie.

Yup. No other words on that one!

SarahTancredi · 16/07/2019 12:34

We can't draw attention to the abject failures in safeguarding and child protection that are happening before our very eyes. On a parenting website

Well lib dems did ignore 80+pages confirming a lack of understanding of safe guarding.

I hold anyone allowing people to ignore it as equally complicit.

Lumene · 16/07/2019 12:38

I will not engage in any sexual interaction without consent from a person with a mature mind and understanding of sex.

Interesting phrase.

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 16/07/2019 12:40

Why do all these pervs have the same piggy little eyes and fucking creepy face?

ZebrasAreBras · 16/07/2019 12:44

I hold anyone allowing people to ignore it as equally complicit.

Yes. Libdems could prove to be even more blind to this than the Green Party.

IfNot · 16/07/2019 12:49

Sorry but communication is more than "typing"
By articulate I meant "is clearly able to construct an argument, and use language to manipulate and obsfucate."
As I said I have a close relative with autism. Hes not " on the spectrum" or "possible asd" he is very obviously autistic.
He is nowhere near articulate,, but faces challenges in many areas of communiation. I would say he has some vulnerabilities BUT he bloody knows right from wrong. In fact in my experience autistic people are very clear on rules of behaviour. My relative would be apalled to have his autism held up as an excuse for something so calculated and revolting as what that nonce said.

ProbablyShouldntbut · 16/07/2019 12:52

Oh, already there @LangCleg

I should probably have guessed - staying ahead of this curve is nigh on impossible

FermatsTheorem · 16/07/2019 12:52

Not could zebras, will. They took on AC knowing that AC had used their father, David Challenor, as election agent while said father was awaiting trial for the rape, kidnapping and torture of a 10 year old child. A crime of which the father was subsequently found guilty.

AC claims that they did not know of the charges against AC's father. However, at the time, AC was a trustee of Coventry Pride - and the trustees collectively certainly knew, because they asked DC to step down because of the pending court case. Also, AC was at the time (of the wait for trial) sharing a house with DC and AC's mother - and the mother was all over facebook and social media, campaigning to establish DC's "innocence" and calling the 10 year old victim horrendously misogynistic and abusive names. Now of course it is possible that, having vented her spleen all over social media and got it out of her system, AC's mother was then able to exercise restraint at home and not mention the upcoming court case once in front of AC. It is possible...

That's before we get onto the fact that AC and DC between them developed the terf-blocker, at the same time as DC was membership secretary for his local party, and therefore had access to a whole load of confidential information about his membership, some of whom may have been gender-critical.

The Lib Dems took on AC knowing all of this.

So it isn't could prove to be more blind it is wilfully covering our eyes and ears and singing la la la la la can't hear you blind.

One reason why the Lib Dems will never get my vote.

BeyondDangerousTshirts · 16/07/2019 12:53

Their relationship isn't only online though - which could explain a difference in communication capability - they have been pictured on holiday together upthread. With their third wheel.

Also autistic here btw.

Lookingforpizza · 16/07/2019 12:58

The whole thing is awful but I really cannot get my head around a sane person admitting on social media that they have sexual thoughts about children. I’m genuinely just baffled.

Lookingforpizza · 16/07/2019 12:58

My meaning being that he is clearly insane and not least for expressing those thoughts on social media Hmm

Artesia · 16/07/2019 13:12

I’m not on Twitter, but maybe someone who is could retweet this to Chuka Umunna - he was happy enough to throw his lot in with the Lib Dems. He should be made publically aware so he can’t deny knowledge when this all blow up. More high profile people should be challenged on this and not allowed to pretend it’s not happening.

Goosefoot · 16/07/2019 13:20

I think noting that there seem to be a lot of autistics among these people is important. It's nothing to do with "get out f jail free" or reducing safeguarding. It's about understanding how people get drawn into this stuff and begin to believe it is ok, rather than taking up the taboos society has developed.

It's also important for parents and caregivers to be really aware that young people in their care could be drawn into this through accessing stuff that seems on the surface to be fine, like fan fiction or anime.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 16/07/2019 14:58

Coventry Lib Dems twitter currently blocking anyone - incl Buni who is quoted in OP - for asking if they will be investigating. Not abusive messages, note, just asking for a statement. It's possible AC is on the account, which is VERY concerning as suggests AC still doesn't understand safeguarding and is, again, trying to deflect attention within party.

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