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Peak Transing

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Apollo440 · 12/07/2019 15:05

This thread on AIBU has been joined by some aggressive TRAs who are doing sterling work peak transing the more delicate areas of mumsnet.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3634784-to-not-want-to-sign-off-my-emails-with-preferred-pronouns

Real TWAW No debate or your c*nts type. Carry on I say!

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PurpleCrowbar · 13/07/2019 20:56

Sure, but I'm not convinced you've managed to demonstrate people being put off MN FWR!

SP was arguing very specifically against the use of a controversial term used to describe transwomen.

There were about 3 other 'regulars' stridently arguing against said term - all of whom regularly pop up to tell FWR posters they're feministing wrong by not being nicer to self IDing TW & none of whom, luckily, seem to be in the slightest deterred from sharing their views.

Also, MN ended by maintaining the ban on the term in question, despite a very clear majority voice in favour of lifting it. So it's hard to see how those threads support your argument that majority dissenting voices/ideas are being closed down.

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 20:58

I wonder how many poster have peaked compared to how many have been "scared off"?

Good question, I'd like to know that myself, would be interesting to find out

JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 21:01

Actually not a clue what you're on about.

That post was not directed at you specifically but at the wider community here.

Others here will understand it. Others here will recognise what a foxy issue this is.

As far as you are concerned, I recommend you avoid concerning yourself with it if you fail to track it.

Datun · 13/07/2019 21:01

So roses, what is your conclusion as to why 76 kids transitioned in one school?

DtPeabodysLoosePants · 13/07/2019 21:03

What were those stats again on the increase in traffic to FWR over the past however long? Datun might have been the one to mention them and said we were waiting on the latest figures. Sorry Datun if it wasn't you. Those figures suggest that there are a lot of lurkers who are as yet too worried or not ready to join in and just enjoy reading the threads and gathering information. If posters have been scared off they aren't going to keep coming back to read threads are they? Of those lurkers how many have peaked their friends, families, colleagues? I personally peaked one of the local librarians Grin

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 21:04

Why is it one rule for you (don't have to answer you when you get asked once for your source, but I get asked the same question over and over and over and over again until I answer?)

Hamster00 · 13/07/2019 21:05

So roses, what is your conclusion as to why 76 kids transitioned in one school?

I have to admire your tenacity Grin

DtPeabodysLoosePants · 13/07/2019 21:05

Because you asked for the decking information about it!

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 21:08

Because you asked for the decking information about it!

I did yes.
Why do I have to answer every single question though and get repeatedly asked if I miss one or don't have an answer but for others you ask a question and get "No. Don't have to answer" but apparently that's fine?

Datun · 13/07/2019 21:09

Roses,

What about all those guys Identifying as trans in prison? In the traveller community it's one in 10? You don't think it's bandwagon jumping, or that they are more prone to criminality?

DtPeabodysLoosePants · 13/07/2019 21:09

But you didn't want any facts did you? You just wanted to prove a point. The only thing you proved is that you are not interested in any facts, research, evidence, or expert opinion because they don't fit your narrative.

JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 21:10

Why is it one rule for you (don't have to answer you when you get asked once for your source, but I get asked the same question over and over and over and over again until I answer?)

Perhaps because you have not responded to the factual credible evidence you demanded which was presented to you?

If you are not going to respond to it, why did you so emphatically demand it? [Refer up-thread to your emphatic demand.]

FormerMediocreMale · 13/07/2019 21:11

I found MN FWR through Twitter comments about how wonderfully GC it was. Not been at all disappointed, It's great, keep up the good work ladies.

Humans cannot change sex no matter how much surgery or drugs. Trying to encourage vulnerable children into being trans is just evil, they should be taught to love the body they have and whoever they live love and whatever they enjoy doing is fine regardless of their sex.

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 21:12

But you didn't want any facts did you?
Yes I did, I wanted to know where it had come from so I could read it.
And I didn't "empthatically demand" anything. I asked and even said thanks when things were linked.

DtPeabodysLoosePants · 13/07/2019 21:13

The sources were cited to you by another poster but because Datun didn't cite her source at that time (but has done so many times previously so regulars know these facts and figures) you decided to go on and on about her whilst ignoring any questions directed at you that no one else answered either. You HAD an answer to your questions. It just wasn't from the poster you demanded it from.

Datun · 13/07/2019 21:14

But seriously Roses, 76 kids? What the hell do you think that's about?

We're not talking about adults here, we're talking about kids.

Why is it more important to talk about anything, any bloody thing, other than these kids?

Hamster00 · 13/07/2019 21:14

You know the child at the back of the class holding their hand up, excitedly straining to give the right answer to the teacher even though they're asking someone else....

....that's me right now.

JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 21:17

And I didn't "emphatically demand" anything. I asked and even said thanks when things were linked.

Ho ho! Your demand was emphatic ... for proving credibility.

We demand the exact same standard from you.

Thus far, you fail to meet the standard you set for everybody else.

This is most curious!

Datun · 13/07/2019 21:19

Hamster00

I'm used to Roses ignoring any salient point anyone makes, it's their MO (over several years). However, you are who they are meant to be talking about!

It's got to feel a little weird.

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 21:20

However, you are who they are meant to be talking about!

I'm still a bit Confused about why I should automatically agree with somebody just because they're trans.

PurpleCrowbar · 13/07/2019 21:21

Have you had a chance to read now Roses? Any thoughts?

My concern (i teach teenagers) is that I doubt, if you interviewed those 76 kids in 5/10/50 years' time, that you'd still find 76 people asserting that they were trans.

Now if school says 'OK Harriet, you want us to call you Harry & you want to wear trousers?' - that's absolutely fine & completely as it should be (& should be the case if Harriet just likes trousers!).

If school is encouraging Harriet to think she is, in fact, a boy; if they are facilitating her crushing her 13 year old breasts under a binder & sharing a room with her male bff on the school residential, that is not OK.

The best evidence we have is around 80% non gender conforming kids grow out of it. So that's around 60 of those kids who will not be identifying as trans as adults - before you even start considering the likelihood of a cluster of social contagion.

This is the concern a lot of people have. Do you think these concerns are reasonable?

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 13/07/2019 21:23

820 posts in 30 hours. I feel like I've missed out, but really can't be bothered reading it all. I'm assuming it must have all been sweetness and light though...

JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 21:23

why I should automatically agree with somebody just because they're trans.

No-one here has said you must agree but, surely you could address the point[s] made by the person who declared themselves as a trans person, given your stated advocacy for persons who transition?

Hamster00 · 13/07/2019 21:24

I'm still a bit confused about why I should automatically agree with somebody just because they're trans.

But you haven't disagreed with me either - you've ignored me...

I'm not self-absorbed enough to think I "should" have a response but I think some of the points I raised were valid at least...

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 21:26

I'm assuming it must have all been sweetness and light though...

Erm, yes, yes it has. not really Grin