Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (Thread title edited by MNHQ)

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JY’s parent sounds like an absolute loon. It would explain a lot.

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I don't get what PY meant about sleeping arrangements

No naming please, peeps. Initials only.

Gender affirming care is detrimental sexist claptrap. Hair removal should in no way affirm that you are female.

Yes Datun - isn't a certain person's go-to insult to women that they're hairy and barren?

Should be hilarious seeing JY come up against Jay Cameron. I wish there was a livestream. I'd pay.

The more I think about it, the more I don't see any way he's going to win this. He is an absolute embarrassment to his cause and someone who's drunk as much of the kool aid as Devyn Cousineau will realise that. He's like a caricature of everything that can go wrong when you allow any male perv to self ID as a woman, and a racist to boot. A gift to our side, to the extent that part of me almost wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be a setup. It would be appalling publicity if he won.

Can I ask: what is the legal status of this tribunal and is there an appeal process if it rules in favour of The Person of Indeterminate Gender?

It would be appalling publicity if he won

Well yes.

But if JY is trans and male people who self identify as women should be treated exactly like women, then how can he be excluded from any thing?

If it’s ok to exclude him then why?

Not true trans-why? What’s different about his transness to (say) Danielle Muscato’s or Shon Faye’s?

Not really a woman-why? Is that the end of self ID?

The judge’s reasoning is going to be fascinating. I presume she will explain her reasoning? I think that would be normal here

Well the second one said she didnt travel out of area, so that's an easy out for starters.

Disclaimer- I'm a British lawyer only and dont identify as Canadian trained.

The member, Devyn Cousineau, has been discussed upthread as a supporter of trans right activism and somebody who has been photographed at relevant public demonstrations.

what is the legal status of this tribunal and is there an appeal process if it rules in favour of The Person of Indeterminate Gender?

4.8 Judicial Review
If a party disagrees with the Tribunal’s decision, it can ask the Federal Court of Canadato review it. This is done by filing an application for judicial review with the Federal Court of Canada within 30 days after the time the decision was first communicated by the Tribunal to the parties.

www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/resources/guide-to-understanding-the-chrt-en.html

My money is on them winning the appeal/s. Clearly it would be a ludicrous outcome but it would be consistent with the ludicrous laws within which the cases appear to be situated. It's like the computer expression GIGO (Garbage in, garbage out).

Devyn Cousineau, has been discussed upthread as a supporter of trans right activism and somebody who has been photographed at relevant public demonstrations.

But also interestingly as I posted up thread:

The member for these cases is Devyn Cousineau http://www.bchrt.bc.ca/tribunal/about-us/members/cousineau.htm

From her bio this could be interesting in these specific cases:
Ms. Cousineau practised at a legal non-profit organization, practising anti-poverty and human rights law on behalf of low-income clients and in a labour law firm before joining the Tribunal.

So I still wouldn't want to call the result either way.

The Person of Indeterminate Gender : PIG

PIG

I hope that if there is a win for the defendant, it's not to do with religion, or being out of area.

It should absolutely be decided on the basis of what the fucking hell are you thinking of?

Whatever the outcome, unless it's that ^ this should reverberate around the globe.

Countries considering self ID need to be held accountable as to what they would do in a similar situation.

can the judge compel psychiatric intervention for the whole brood? oh lorks, there isnt siblings is there?

I suffered prolonged CSA as a child and as an adult I made the decision to seek justice. People tell you that you are being brave as though you are fearless but at that point in time I felt like I had pulled a lever to release all the hounds of hell to come after me.

I have read all of this thread and I don’t usually comment but I just wanted to say how much I admire Goinglikeelsie.

Being brave isn’t about being fearless, it’s carrying on despite being scared shitless.

I hope Goinglikeelsie is aware just how amazing we all think she is, how much support she has and that she isn’t deterred from attending after recent events.

The world is watching and if there’s one thing I’ve learnt from coming here it is that once you’ve been taught how to look, you can’t stop seeing!

I know it's not a 'proper' court as we know it but I'm gobsmacked at the amount of "leeway" (as the member says) the Member is giving them. Surely at the very best a lot of it is purely a massive waste of time if it's not relevant? I was optimistic to start with that the Member was being even-handed but she seems to be permitting an awful lot.

I am no longer optimistic.

I'm not optimistic. The member advised JY how to proceed in JY's best interests with the lawyer (re online stuff). That and letting JY carry on with this bullshit kind of suggests there's some sympathy that I certainly didn't pick up with the poor, poor women being harassed in court by JY.

JY must be committing perjury? JY statements in court contradict each other eg. Trans vs periods. One must be a lie. Why is the ‘member’ allowing such mistreatment of the tribunal?

I do hope sincerely that the member is doing every possible thing to be overly sympathetic and kind and indulgent to the interesting person laying these complaints before finding against them: therefore trying to prove that the court cannot be called 'transphobic' (vain hope) or subjected to endless appeals.

But we live in very strange times. In which case the women's legal representatives will have a lot of stuff on a plate to take to the federal court, and it's going to be very embarrassing to the Canadian Govt. Who frankly deserve it.

I've hidden the names (not initials) and face so I hope this is ok, but did anybody else see this? The AUDACITY to ask penis-havers (who may be trans, why is JY discriminating here?) to put them away because JY doesn't want to see them, is astounding.

I hope it gets used today in the tribunal to show that if JY is female, not trans, then a) there was no trans discrimination and b) JY does not want to see penises but expects women who have good reason (a male name) to believe JY has one to actually handle it!

FFS!!

AppleJane

Completely agree about Elsie. She is a .

AppleJane

Yes I hope Goinglikeelsie knows about this place and knows she's not alone.