Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (Thread title edited by MNHQ)

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JY’s parent sounds like an absolute loon. It would explain a lot.

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Periods - how? Are his parents... hmmm I can’t even finish this sentence without being horrible. Educationally challenges? I haven’t read the whole threads but are both parents as batshit?

How is this being taken seriously? Why are comedy shows not taking the piss? This really is comedy gold.

Oh dear I've self reported my last post if that is the case.

They may not be well, but they’re also spiteful grifters.

The future does not bode well whatever the outcome of this case. They will continue to be a thorn in the side of the city of Vancouver or wherever else they go for as long as they live. No one is safe from them. Any government agency, from social services to health services to the young waitress in a coffee bar who accidentally misgenders or otherwise gives offence. Beauticians are particularly at risk - the manicurist who is happy to take a deep breath and do the toes but when asked declines to do massage or wax.

It will continue unabated as long as they have access to these tribunals. Should the creepy behaviour escalate into crime then they will end up in a women's prison, causing grief to everyone there.

I don't know what else to say except thank God it's all happening somewhere else and not here.

I've a feeling it was a case of giving someone enough rope to hang themselves!

It's interesting because my apprehension is that the member will argue that JY's comments about race and faith will be set aside, no matter, how rebarbative, because that is not the human rights issue in question here.

Of course, in the English courts, we have Maria McLachlan denied a financial award for her assault because she refuse to abide by the court's ruling for the naming/gendering of her attacker. And, the Lion of London Bridge, will not receive Criminal Injuries Compensation because of his documented convictions for crimes based on race/faith harassment.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7248059/Lion-London-Bridge-denied-compensation-injuries-criminal-record.html

I see from that series of tweets that JY has filed fresh complaints. We won't ever know but I wonder what the settlements JY has won in mediation are.

The period comment floored me. They are obsessed. Such clear AGP fetishistic obsession with women's bodily functions. Whilst waxing someone's eyebrows or arms won't be much different between male and female, in the circumstances it would seem urgent to establish what genitals they have as it's a totally different texture of skin, and testicles and penises would be wrecked by the usual Hollywood vulva treatment.

I’ve never had my nethers waxed. Never ever, not a chance. Don’t feel the need.

Has it not been established that JY has a penis and testicles? Which is the reason they won't do the waxing?

As far as I know, there is no intersex condition that will give you a uterus, and therefore periods, and a penis?

So why are they getting away with that statement re periods?

I’ve tried to read the tweet thread and it’s too he’d to follow! The three of them sound nuts. Which country are they threatening to flounce off to?

The irony in JY complaining that if religion trumps trans rights, then trans rights are meaningless......Yes and if any man can claim to be a woman then womens rights are meaningless!

I think the member/judge should adjourn all proceedings and ask for a full medical and psychiatric reports. Establishing for once and for all the precise genital arrangement as well as other aspects relevant to this and future cases.

Me too FannyCann.

You can't start asserting that you have periods, which would explain tampaxes and questioning girls (it doesn't but you know what I mean), if you don't.

And you can't start asserting that someone won't wax you because you're trans, when it's because you've got a penis!

It says they are 'sworn in'. Does that mean they have to swear to tell the truth? Because surely, establishing whether or not they are telling the truth, is fundamental?

It sounds shambolic.

I agree that the physical aspects need to be properly established! It's crucial to the case surely?? And if we, as bystanders, jump on that immediately then why on EARTH hasn't the "member"?

It should have been a case of "Whoah, hang on...backtrack/clarify/ask specific questions"

I do wish someone would just wax JY's balls like they would do a bikini wax, right there in court, so the Member could see just how JY likes it. And how "gender affirming" it is.

Might actually justify an ambulance trip for JY for once.

If JY does indeed possess both male & female genitalia, then that would make JY intersex. So why aren't they fighting for intersex rights?

Or if JY does indeed have periods, then it would mean that JY has a functioning female reproductive systems which would by most people's definition make them a women. So what makes them trans?

Why did someone now say ‘periods? How does that work exactly? Do please explain...’

Trying very hard to refrain from making a ‘member’ pun.

Astonishing. And chilling.

The most extraordinary thing about it all is what The Member lets the Y family get away with.

Today is when JY comes up against Jay Cameron, the lawyer for the Justice Centre again, isn't it?

And JY has said that JY wants half a million in compensation against JC for misconduct.

I wonder what misconduct JY is alleging?

Having a good working knowledge of the law?

Asking questions while being a lawyer?

Can the lawyer Cameron not request medical evidence? It could be subject to privacy and for the court only couldn't it?

I also think psychiatric assessment is relevant to the whole issue of his vexatious litigation history. I have no idea obv how the law would work over there or even here but I assume most vexatious litigants have some sort of obsessive character trait. The fact that these human rights tribunals are free for the litigant gives them a green light to continue this behaviour pursuing anyone who gives offence. It can not be right to allow that. At some point surely he should be banned from further cases. I believe in this country vexatious litigants once declared as such by a judge can have some sort of ban put on them.

Slight derail but my DD1 has just returned from a fab year at university BC in Vancouver. Drank some kool aid of course but still in possession of a bit of common sense thankfully. I'm very grateful her path did not cross this one as truly no one is safe from it in that city!

If JY does indeed possess both male & female genitalia, then that would make JY intersex.

Afaik, there have been possibly 1 or 2 actual hermaphrodites in the history of the human race - and they're contested - so JY would be beyond special if that is the case.

Some of the intersex commenters have some very helpful commentary as to why intersex is not hermaphroditism (despite the confusion in MSM reporting). And, why it's completely inappropriate or unfair to keep dragging intersex as a defensive shield into the discussion of trans issues.

I may be very wrong but I doubt JY is intersex or hermaphrodite.

This might help with some of the Qs as to why so many statements are left unchallenged

See http://www.bchrt.bc.ca/law-library/rules/2016version.htm for Rules of Practice and Procedure

Does the Tribunal advocate for me or represent me in my complaint?
No, the Tribunal does not act as an advocate. The Tribunal is a specialized court. It must be neutral. That means it does not take sides in a human rights complaint. This is because it may need to make decisions about the complaint and the complaint process that are fair to both parties.

Will the Tribunal investigate or prosecute the complaint?
No. The Tribunal does not have the power to investigate a complaint. The Tribunal does not act as a prosecutor. The Tribunal requires both sides to give each other information about the complaint.

The member for these cases is Devyn Cousineau
http://www.bchrt.bc.ca/tribunal/about-us/members/cousineau.htm

Tribunal members are administrative law judges who conduct mediations, decide applications to dismiss a complaint without a hearing, preside on pre-hearing conferences, conduct hearings and render final decisions on the merits of a complaint.

And from her bio (linked above) this could be interesting in these specific cases:
Ms. Cousineau practised at a legal non-profit organization, practising anti-poverty and human rights law on behalf of low-income clients and in a labour law firm before joining the Tribunal.

Lastly Members' Code of Conduct

http://www.bchrt.bc.ca/tribunal/about-us/members/members-code-conduct.htm

Perjury: the crime of telling a lie in court after promising formally to tell the truth

JY does not have periods. Both JY and MY have lied giving evidence to the Tribunal.

Dropping this in as it has several articles that address gender-affirming care in Canada:

WHAT IS A GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE MODEL?
Gender-affirming care can be understood as the processes through which a health care system (or other types of health and social services) cares for and supports trans people by respecting their sense of self and chosen gender expression. By gender expression, we mean the way in which an individual chooses to express or display their gender. This could include things like choices of clothing, speech, or preferred names and pronouns. Most importantly, gender- affirming care recognizes that each individual expresses their self-described gender identity in unique ways and should be respected, cared for, and protected

It will be odd if hair-removal etc ends up being provided as part of the healthcare system tho' I doubt that that would provide social validation if that is integral to someone's sense of gender-affirmation.

www.pragmatichealthethics.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Brainstorm2019July10lowres.pdf

Several articles on health care for trans people.