Penny Mordaunt: It’s vital we look into surge in girls wanting to change gender

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Article in The Sunday Times this morning. It appears the research has eventually been commissioned but no indication of how long it will take or when we can expect to seeing the findings published.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b3fd2a9c-a01a-11e9-89f7-56552ee52d6f

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Do you think she was pushed into this after being outed by The Times?

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Interesting thread by TT:

mobile.twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1147675621063049216

That's an odd article.

Penny Mordaunt announced exactly the same thing in September 2018. Now in July 2019, she's announcing research into the numbers of girls changing gender? Who is doing this research? Presumably nothing has been done since the last announcement?

"Separately, England’s only child gender clinic has released a note from a study into the first 44 youngsters to receive puberty-blocking drugs there".

It is unclear from the article what this note actually is.

Sounds like GIDS themselves intend to publish their own research from the 2010 - 2014 study. Despite this being abandoned? Transgender Trend did an analysis on this study and its many shortcomings. www.transgendertrend.com/tavistock-experiment-puberty-blockers/

I'm a bit confused.

One of the Twitter comments says it all.

Yer but who is doing the research hmmm stone wall or mermaids

"In early outcomes after the injections started in 2011 at the Gender Identity Development Service (Gids) in London, there was “no overall improvement in mood or psychological wellbeing” in the cohort. More than a quarter reported that their mood was worse."

So treatment with puberty blockers is going well then.

But those children still went on to cross sex hormones.....

I get to the stage where I can't read any more about this, it genuinely makes me cry and rage. How parents are dealing with it, I just don't know.

It's child abuse.

From the TransgenderTrend twitter thread.

Apparently it 'became clear' in 2008 "that the effects of GnRH analogues on pubertal hormones were rapidly reversible" according to "a considerable body of opinion amongst paediatric endocrinologists." That was before trials on sheep of course. 'Opinion' is not 'evidence.'

In 2012 there was "published outcome data on small numbers of young people who had begun early pubertal suppression (10-16 years) in Melbourne Australia, with no young people ceasing hormone treatment" - so it was known back then that blockers were not a 'pause button.'

context,
Mail on Sunday reports the RCGPs

"GPs risk causing transgender storm after issuing unprecedented warning over 'lack of evidence' on treatments that pave way for children to have a sex change"
(extract)
The Royal College of General Practitioners has issued an unprecedented warning over NHS treatments for children which pave the way for a sex change.

In a powerfully worded 'position statement', the highly influential RCGP says there is a lack of 'robust evidence' about the long-term effects of 'puberty blockers' that stop the body maturing, and cross-sex hormones.

And it says there needs to be far more research into the pros and cons of treatment, including medical intervention being compared with a 'wait and see' approach.

In plain language that could upset transgender rights activists, the RCGP also urges the NHS to record what it calls every patient's 'biological sex' – in addition to their chosen gender identity – to avoid potentially calamitous medical mistakes.

It says family doctors are being pressured into providing transgender services that 'lie outside the remit of a GP's generalist expertise', and sometimes face pressure to prescribe cross-sex hormones themselves.

Last night, doctors said it was the first time a major UK medical institution had called into serious question how transgender patients are treated on the NHS. " (continues)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7220897/GPs-risk-transgender-storm-issuing-unprecedented-warning-lack-evidence-treatments.html

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That TT twitter thread does make for interesting reading. I appreciate them highlighting that the reversibility of puberty blockers is based on opinion rather than hard evidence.

Worrying that so many adolescents continue to cross sex hormones after puberty blockers when evidence shows high rates of desistance with a supportive watch and wait approach.

Here's the "update" on the GIDS website:

gids.nhs.uk/our-early-intervention-study

It is long on rambling background to the study and short on facts. The Progress section is laughable. It is ringing even more alarm bells.

Genuinely don't understand the "the results of the study are good so we've put thousands of kids on puberty blockers" and the "we don't know the results of the study. Which we started 9 years ago" juggling that GIDS are doing right now.

Looks like they'd actually abandoned that study years ago and have been forced to do follow-up on it. And they are desperately trying to cobble something together.

It's child abuse.

Child abuse in plain sight being cheered on by the establishment, while those of us trying to stop it are vilified as hateful bigots.

And I did pause at this bit:

"In the ethics application, the study was envisaged “to run for about 6 years … and that the recruitment will stop after 3 years. The people who were recruited in the third year will then have enough time to complete the treatment with the hypothalamic blocker.” However, the 6 years proved an underestimate, as those aged just 12 who were recruited in Feb-April 2014 would not complete treatment with GnRHa until 4-5 years later at age 16-17 years".

Didn't they know that at the very start? And plan accordingly?

They deliberately set out to recruit new children 3 years after the start of the study. But didn't anticipate that these children requiring 4.-5 years of treatment would have an effect on the overall length of the study. They just didn't anticipate that part of it.

I find it all very worrying.

Gosh, Penny, do you think?

Surely research could maybe allowing the consideration that there might be a problem with off-label drugs/hormones being given to children? Or even the whole 'affirmation' route?! Surely not.

No disorder, no debate. Acceptance without exception, Penny.

What could there possibly be to worry about?

Bizarrely in that mail article- which is excellent and speaks plain English - mermaids welcome the document.

Agreeing with mermaids?!

Surely research could maybe allowing the consideration that there might be a problem with off-label drugs/hormones being given to children? Or even the whole 'affirmation' route?! Surely not.

This is what Lupron does.

Of course they knew.

www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

This screams of a possible deliberate white hat bias stitch up to me.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hat_bias

I remember an infamous WHO on birth outcomes a while back. Its widely reported conclusion was totally at odds with what the data itself had to say because those writing it had a particular agenda. Its something I've seen a lot with regards to women's health.

Already I am hearing alarm bells with this, because of methodology and possible signs that the study itself was set up in questionable way.

My point being the devil is in the detail and there needs to be very close scrutiny of this.

I'm worried.

The 'research' is going to show that more girls are just free to be their true selves because of the cracking job Stonewall and Mermaids are doing.

Bizarrely in that mail article- which is excellent and speaks plain English - mermaids welcome the document.

I wonder if that's an accurate quote from Mermaids. I remember them being misquoted as having said something totally reasonable in a news article a few months ago. They then corrected it to explain the actual, totally absurd, position held by Mermaids.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6448105/British-children-buy-sex-hormone-medication-foreign-sites-no-questions-asked.html

Since publication this article has been amended to remove a comment from Mermaids, a charity supporting transgender children, which incorrectly represented their position on hormone drugs. The article stated that they consider these drugs ‘can subject a young person to distressing bodily changes that can lead to an increased risk of anxiety, depression, self-harm and suicidal ideas’. In fact, the full comment from Mermaids refers to their belief that it is ‘waiting times’ for these drugs which can be the cause of distress. We are happy to make their position clear, and apologise for the error.

Possibly oldcrone. Though I expect they'd agree regarding nhs inviting males for cervical smears; it's hard to tell exactly what they're referring to.

Link to the RCGP statement mentioned in the mail article.

www.rcgp.org.uk/-/media/Files/Policy/A-Z-policy/2019/RCGP-transgender-care-position-statement-june-2019.ashx?la=en

Haven't read it all (12 pages), but they acknowledge the lack of evidence in this area.

Gonadorelin (GnRH) analogues are one of the main types of treatment for young people with gender dysphoria. These have long been used to treat young children who start puberty too early, however less is known about their long-term safety in transgender adolescents. Children who have been on GnRH for a certain period of time and are roughly 16 years of age can be offered cross-sex hormones by the NHS, the effects of which can be irreversible. There is a significant lack of robust, comprehensive evidence around the outcomes, side effects and unintended consequences of such treatments for people with gender dysphoria, particularly children and young people, which prevents GPs from helping patients and their families in making an informed decision.

They also call for more training for GPs in gender issues and the expansion of gender identity clinics, which might be the bits Mermaids agree with.

Thank you for finding that crone.