Sharron

[Jasging]

Causing a storm on Twitter...

so woman and transman or man and transwoman.

She did.

She said a biological male and a transwoman.

TRAs then couldn't say it was homophobic without being transphobic themselves

Exactly. But they did, and therefore they are!

The problem was wording the first pairing as two biological females so people could declare it was homophobic, if she worded it woman and transman they couldn't even though its still the exact same pairing.

Oh just stop parsing women's words. FFS.

Women are allowed to fire off quick tweets, make typos, get the grammar wrong, lack a smidge of clarity here and there.

Everyone knows full well what she meant.

Go and parse the life out of some men instead. Make men feel like they're too intimidated to speak in public without passing their words through a committee first. Put a scold's bridle on some men.

Everyone knows full well what she meant.

What she actually wrote was two women. She didn't say they were gay or not gay.

No one actually has to guess.

Christ’s sake, it was a quick Tweet. It wasn’t a legal document that required precise wording for people to know what it meant. There are two sexes. End of.

Linda Riley is so weird. She seems very angry all the time.
twitter.com/LindaRiley8/status/1145987044717604866?s=19

When you get your legal advice, you will find you have no case and people like you and @glinner threatening the #LGBTQ community with legal action are despicable.

Little OJ does hate women so much.

Loving the collection of memes on him posted on Sharrons thread. Well done Camperwoman and all. Gave me a right fit of the giggles this afternoon!

Point taken

Sharron is a bloody shero. She is allowed to do a quick tweet the meaning of which is obvious to everyone, even bloody OJ who responds in total bad faith and is on the wrong side of history. A sexually dimorphic species reproduces via 2 sexes (it's all in the name), female and male. There is no third sex involved. The two sexes are biologically different wrt to reproduction and because the female sex gestates and gives birth, the male sex wants to control what females can and can't do, say, think etc (obvs NAM but patriarchy as a system). The female sex is discriminated against/ oppressed/ controlled by coersion and consent/ gaslighted because of this hence our Equality Act and the protected characteristics of sex. Nobody can change sex. So nobody can identify in and out of sex. It's most obvious in sport. Sport is Sharron's concern. Sex is binary. That's what the tweet said.

Someone needs to remind Riley that she is supposed to be there for the 'L'.
I very much doubt she would practice what she preaches on this issue (and for that matter neither would Jones).

Linda, homosexual females are bring excluded from "your" LGBT "community" right now - on your watch - please do something for us.
It cannot be right that lesbians are being critisised for our sexuality.

Sharron has spoken out more for the rights of lesbians than Linda has done.
Sharron - you are a star - thank you. Linda? yeah, best I don't comment.

Someone needs to remind Riley and Jones of the UK Equality Act 2010:

Section 12: the protected characteristic of sexual orientation:

(1) Sexual orientation means a person's sexual orientation towards—
(a) persons of the same sex,
(b) persons of the opposite sex, or
(c) persons of either sex.

(2) In relation to the protected characteristic of sexual orientation—
(a) a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a person who is of a particular sexual orientation;
(b) a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to persons who are of the same sexual orientation.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/12

Plus Explanatory Notes [paras 55 - 57]:

Effect
55. This section defines the protected characteristic of sexual orientation as being a person’s sexual orientation towards:

people of the same sex as him or her (in other words the person is a gay man or a lesbian)

people of the opposite sex from him or her (the person is heterosexual)

people of both sexes (the person is bisexual).

56. It also explains that references to people sharing a sexual orientation mean that they are of the same sexual orientation.

Background
57. The definition is designed to replicate the effect of similar provisions in the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2003 and the Equality Act 2006.

Examples
A man who experiences sexual attraction towards both men and women is “bisexual” in terms of sexual orientation even if he has only had relationships with women.

A man and a woman who are both attracted only to people of the opposite sex from them share a sexual orientation.

A man who is attracted only to other men is a gay man. A woman who is attracted only to other women is a lesbian. So a gay man and a lesbian share a sexual orientation.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/2/1/9

It's ridiculous to pretend that there is no context to Sharron Davies' remarks when she has been part of the public conversation on trans for the last few months. As usual trans are hiding behind actual oppressed minorities, in this case lesbian and gay people and disabled people. Anything to make straight white men the most oppressed minority of all.

Sex matters, that's literally what she said. It's true, it does. Not a single one of us would be here if it wasn't for the fact that men and women exist and their respective gametes are what produce a baby. More importantly, women matter - adult human females. Without a woman, none of us would ever have been born. Germaine Greer said that trans was an insult to their own mothers and she's absolutely right.

Transwomen are women, but still have male chromosomes? But woman is an adult human female defined by chromosomes, in which case a transwomen is simultaneously an human female, and an adult human male.

Schrödinger's chromosome?

Owen Jones's sole agenda on this is to weaponise the homophobia of the past and to twist any objection at all to the idea that men are actually women, to link it with homophobia. As a 'shut up bigot' move.

The reason he has to do this is because he knows that he doesn't actually have any decent arguments when faced with the concerns that women have. So he has to play the 'you sound like a homophobe' card as a way to try and silence concerns, as it's all he has got.

Plus of course the fact that women are largely irrelevant to him. It's impossible in his mind for women to actually have genuine concerns for their own rights, because to him their rights don't matter, so the only explanation for them saying these things must be homophobia/transphobia.

I can't get over how misogynistic it is actually.

They have to try to bring Sharron down.
She has a massive following and has spoken nothing but sense - sense and realism being the biggest enemy of a certain group just now.

Sharron, ignore the bullies and those trying to slander you.
You are right, you know it, we all know it. Sense will prevail.

It's perfectly clear what Sharron was saying. Anyone failing to understand is being deliberately obtuse and utterly disingenuous.

Owen Jones, self styled class warrior, always seems to forget that the main losers when women's rights are compromised are always the same people: the poorest women who don't have the financial, social and educational resources to try to protect themselves.

Carter Ruck Solicitors act for all the lovely people - like the Church of Scientology. Anyone ever watched Leah Remini's Scientology and the Aftermath series? The analogies one can draw between small but powerful and litigious "faith" groups and their infiltration of government through charitable status is quite startling, not to mention the group think and collective turning on anyone that betrays the agenda.

"Little OJ does hate women so much."

Yes, I think he does, and that is why it is strange to see on his Wiki page, he describes himself as a "feminist"

www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/local-news/sharron-davies-taking-legal-advice-3045782

"Plymouth Olympic swimming legend Sharron Davies MBE says she is taking legal advice after Guardian columnist and socialist Owen Jones appeared to label her a 'transphobe"

Last weekend to get tickets for this event www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-on-the-podium-tickets-62871342879

There’s an article about Sharron in the Daily Mail, 'I won't let trans militants drown me out:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7218181/SHARRON-DAVIES-wont-let-trans-militants-drown-out.html

Written in the usual DM style but makes her commitment really apparent.

That DM article is awful to read.
Speaking out for fairness should never come at such personal cost.

Though if anyone wants to see just how vile some trans activists are the replies to some of Sharron's threads are a perfect examples.

That article is brilliant. Spells it out so clearly.

I agree. The inclusion of the IOC’s new testerone levels and the male/female reference ranges show very clearly that the top of the new IOC MTF trans qualification range is within the normal, healthy male testosterone range.

That is a great article and the only comment that has been allowed on it so far has complete support for Sharon from over 10000 readers and very little dissent

Dustin Lance Black getting shown up for the hypocrite he is down on this thread. Note that LOJ retweeted it and popped up to have a nasty little dig at Sharron again:

mobile.twitter.com/DLanceBlack/status/1146742361462120450