BBC on 11 year old trans skating competitor

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Transgender skater fighting to compete www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-48800080

What is going on at the bbc?

What's going on at the BBC is propaganda in the hope of shifting society in a progressive direction. In other words, acting completely contrary to their editorial values.

That article is an interesting contrast to a radio programme I heard last night:

www.wnycstudios.org/story/edge

In short, an Afro-French figure skater, Surya Bonaly, seemed to never win at the highest level because of her astonishing ability. There has always been discussion about how her skating wasn't properly feminine, that the competition judges were looking for "graceful ballerina types".

"I'd like people to understand I'm a girl"

Jesus wept. 11 years old.

So girls will be getting pushed out younger and younger and younger.

They "fought" to be allowed to access girls toilets.

Under the general gist of the whole article, this is perceived as social justice attained.

This is gaslighting and coercion.

Why can't the child wear wonderful outfits as a male? Is there a difference in how skating is done/ marked between the sexes?

Not a skating expert Neuro but my understanding is that men can jump higher and thus perform more turns - down to our old friend testosterone and its effects on muscular strength. Won't make a difference now, but in a few years assuming this child doesn't take blockers, and they will be able to perform routines of a level of technical difficulty their female competitors won't be able to touch. The skating equivalent of Yarwood in track and field.

Fermats but are the rules of play in this sport different between the sexes in terms of creative expression?

What makes this child fight so much to compete under the women and girls categories? Are there stricter rules around outfits for example? Can a male have an elaborate hair style? Could this child compete in a men's category wearing women's clothes?

Poor kid

Wikipedia, that fount of all wisdom, suggests that the requirements for routines are exactly the same for the two sexes (unlike say women's gymnastics floor, there's a requirement for some but not excessive choreography for both sexes), but the dress codes are different. Men have to wear trousers. (Women can wear skirts or trousers).

So it does look as though literally the only thing that will change for this child is being allowed to wear a skirt.

Well, that and being at an advantage in terms of numbers of rotations in the jumps once they hit puberty.

Thanks fermats.

Yes obviously the difference in physical body strength and ability is going to start from now on.

Grr. Another fighting ti displace girls.

Yes there are differences by sex. I read about the issue with quad jumps (4 spins) which are now basically required at top male level in order to win, but which is more difficult for female skaters than male, due to hip width, and power to weight ratio, also weight to impact ratio.

Which seems to be why the first female to have done a successful quad in competition is Miki Ando in 2002 and the only since then Alexandra Trusova. Both were really young and Trusova in particular is very thin and not at all rounded in physique. She looks about 12. Older skaters (even aged just 20!!) are generally not able to land the jumps due to female physique.

Article here (apologies for the misogynist coach in the middle). He manages to disparage women because of our biology, but at least he recognise we are different to men. nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/as-men-go-quad-crazy-womens-figure-skating-bumps-ceiling

qz.com/1208802/olympics-2018-figure-skating-is-all-about-the-quadruple-jump-despite-its-dangers/ prior to Trusova landing a jump

The injury rate is also very high with these jumps and this affects women more due to hormone cycles which affect ligaments etc (research is avail)

If quads become deciding factors in women's competition, then not only does this favour younger girls pressured into learning quad jumps due to their thin physique, but it will clearly advantage any boys competing as girls, and they will probably also be able to have a longer career as they will be able to land these jumps long after the girls have grown into women and developed hips and normal levels of adult female body fat etc.

Additonally, with weight being such an issue for girls and pressure to make quad jumps especially we ave to consider what is known as the female triad now known as Relative energy deficiency in sport (RED-S) which is the trio of factors affecting female athletes who over exercise. It is a combination of three conditions that are connected with over-exercising in athletic training: Amenorrhea (abnormal absence of menstruation) Osteoporosis (disease in which bones become fragile and more likely to fracture) Disordered eating. www.acog.org/Clinical-Guidance-and-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Adolescent-Health-Care/Female-Athlete-Triad?IsMobileSet=false

bjsm.bmj.com/content/48/4/289

orthoinfo.aaos.org/en/diseases--conditions/female-athlete-triad-problems-caused-by-extreme-exercise-and-dieting/

ALL these three sources recognise the risk to female athletes.

Apolos for rushing. Grabbed this info from another post I had drafted.

Your posts are more concise Fermats!!! :)

Sorry platter, I was querying what it was about skating competition rules that, beyond biology, are different for men and women in terms I suppose of the gender rules, such as trousers v skirts.

Which is a tiny thing that perhaps could be changed in order to allow a person like this child to compete in their correct sex category.

Undoubtedly this is utterly rubbish for girls from a biological POV.

Why can't the boys category simply compete both boys who are happy to name themselves as boys and transgirls? And the girls category compete both girls who are happy to name themselves as girls and transboys? Break the gender stereotypes, everyone is themselves, the dress codes will have to adapt, female competition not unfairly messed with.

Because validation.

Really not a good enough reason.

Sorry I kinda leapt in in a hurry Neuro with my general stuff rather than addressing your queries

I think skirts for girls/women are required even if they wear a long catsuit so that is something that could be done away with.

I've not seen the Female Triad mentioned on here before and only came across it myself a while ago so wanted to shoehorn it in in case anyone else knows about it or finds it interesting.

Yours is more informative though platters.

I don’t know why the bbc keep doing these articles

There is no such thing as a trans girl. They can’t legally get a grc till they are 18.

It’s such bollocks from the bbc as ever

Bless the wee soul. Their parents really need to have a firm and honest talk with them. For their own sake.

I've just come back to this thread to see my earlier post was deleted. I'm waiting for MNHQ to get back to me to explain why. Pretty much all I said was that this poor child was also a victim. It's not just about the unfairness of boys competing against girls, it's also about children being told that they can change sex and believing it. How can a child who has not yet reached puberty possibly understand the implications of identifying as the opposite sex, and what 'transgenderism' is really about?

I wonder if this post will also disappear. Are we not allowed to talk about the appalling effects on children of trans ideology?

Just had a reply from MNHQ. Apparently my offence was 'misgendering' the child. So my post, which expressed only sympathy for this poor child who had been lied to and told that they could change sex, was deleted.

Says who? Misgendering has no meaning. You didn’t mis-sex the child did you? How the hell are we:

a) supposed to know what someone really thinks,
b) guess ‘a’,
c) lie about sex
d) agree that ‘gender’ (which is as real as tinkerbelle) trumps sex

Sorry again, Platter, your info was extremely informative including bits I hadn't read before!

I'm often posting on the trot and before smalls can interrupt. I'm coming across much more abruptly than I mean at the mo. Missing the days of cluster feeding and being slept on!

oldcrone utter ridiculousness.

Your post was the first to point out the child was a victim in this too.