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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NSPCC at Pride

127 replies

MrsSnippyPants · 26/06/2019 10:05

Good grief, the grovelling begins

prideinlondon.org/news-and-views/statement-on-nspccs-participation-in-the-parade/

OP posts:
HumberElla · 26/06/2019 11:06

It’s like reading a communist manifesto. It’s like we’ve gone back in time to the crusades or reading a medieval religious text.

This organisation has gone completely insane.

OvaHere · 26/06/2019 11:07

So who wrote that statement? It's directly criticising the directors so presumably it's not a statement that was run past the board before being published.

Also as far as I understand an internal investigation was being carried out relating to rubber guy which is inline with how it should be. They are basically saying that safeguarding principles, when applied to someone from this community, are offensive. The NSPCC better than anyone should understand that protected class status is antithetical to their core business.

There appears to be a group of people at the NSPCC who have pretty much just gone rogue with how they operate.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 26/06/2019 11:16

Hang on whqts this about? In reply to people on twitter questioning why they are grovelling they are replying with my above post...

SarahTancredi · 26/06/2019 11:17

There appears to be a group of people at the NSPCC who have pretty much just gone rogue with how they operate

And to think that they can help to bring action against you for not wanting your kid exposed to furries and fetishists and mixed sex spaces.....

This is all ok bit god forbid a 10 yr old stays home in bed for 5 mins while their parent picks up their sister from school. Hmm

R0wantrees · 26/06/2019 11:20

James Kirkup The Spectator:
'Munroe Bergdorf, the NSPCC and the failure of the media'
(extract)

"To be crystal clear about this, the board of the NSPCC dismissed Bergdorf because it judged that her actions breached its standards relating to child protection and would actually undermine the work of the charity (i.e. the protection of children).

NSPCC guidance to parents is that they should tell children not to contact and share personal information online with people who are not known to them:

‘Explain that it isn’t easy to identify someone online. People aren’t always who they say they are, so don’t share personal information. If it’s someone who genuinely knows your child, they shouldn’t need to ask for personal information online. Tell your child that if they’re in any doubt they should talk to you first.’

Munroe Bergdorf has, on more than one occasion, used social media channels to encourage young people to contact her to discuss their personal struggles and worries.

In a public statement, the NSPCC said that it dismissed her because of such statements. It said:

‘When appointing an ambassador we are required to consider whether the relationship supports our ability to safeguard children and be influential in safeguarding children. The board decided an ongoing relationship with Munroe was inappropriate because of her statements on the public record, which we felt would mean that she was in breach of our own risk assessments and undermine what we are here to do. These statements are specific to safeguarding and equality.’

Bergdorf has not retreated from those statements, telling the Guardian that she sees nothing wrong in encouraging children to message her ‘as a friend to turn to’. (Bergdorf is 31.) As far as I can see, she has not yet addressed the NSPCC’s point about her online conduct ‘breaching’ its guidelines. She says she has been unfairly treated and dismissed because she is transgender.

In any other context, this would a simple and uncontroversial thing for any media outlet to cover: ‘Celebrity sacked by child safety charity for undermining child safety rules’ would be how I’d expect most journalists to frame the story. Or perhaps ‘Celebrity sacked by child safety charity says she did nothing wrong.’ (continues)

concludes:
I’ll end this miserable tale with a final exam question:

Fact 1: Munroe Bergdorf was sacked by a child safety charity because the charity said she undermined its child safety work. She has since been lionised and feted, treated as a victim of injustice.

Fact 2: Janice Turner sent a single tweet to ask the charity a question about Munroe Bergdorf’s appointment, an appointment the charity has now accepted was inappropriate and mistaken. Janice Turner has since been vilified, abused and defamed.

Question: what are the differences between Munroe Bergdorf and Janice Turner that might explain the different ways in which they have been treated?"
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/munroe-bergdorfs-sacking-and-the-failure-of-the-media/

R0wantrees · 26/06/2019 11:22

There appears to be a group of people at the NSPCC who have pretty much just gone rogue with how they operate.

There are significant numbers of people within NSPCC who do not understand and/or respect Safeguarding.

This is indicative of systemic Safeguarding framework failure within the charity.

It is very significant.

R0wantrees · 26/06/2019 11:25

Establishing a dialogue with LGBT+ organisations such as Stonewall to understand how best to heal the pain caused to staff as well as build bridges with the community

Stonewall do not understand and/or respect Safeguarding.

This will always have the greatest impact on children & vulnerable adults.

PegLegAntoine · 26/06/2019 11:27

Well summarised R0wan

What would Pride etc have said about Bergdorf’s actions if they were “cishet” or whatever the word is? Hmm

Paddington68 · 26/06/2019 11:28

In the good old days, any member of the public could just march along and join in. This is no longer the case. Hate to think what they would do if it was the year the miners joined in.

aliasundercover · 26/06/2019 11:29

rubber guy
Please don't call him that, it's doing everyone a disservice. His name is 'rubber wank at children's charity guy', or 'rubber wank at work guy'.

MockerstheFeManist · 26/06/2019 11:32

rubber wank at work for childrens charity whilst filming it so you can post it for all to see and boast about it

....guy

NotBadConsidering · 26/06/2019 11:34

All of those replies by The NSPCC on their threads: I am reading it as they are investigating the statement by Pride and the supposed cooperation as well, not just work-wank man, or am I wrong?

NotBadConsidering · 26/06/2019 11:37

For example:

mobile.twitter.com/NSPCC/status/1143820174501535744

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 26/06/2019 11:41

Notbad I'm taking that as in response to the pride statement. They are replying with the same tweet to everyone who asks about it.

LangCleg · 26/06/2019 11:42

Just to reiterate:

The NSPCC has statutory power to initiate court care proceedings.

Many prominent transactivists openly campaign for court care proceedings to be opened against non-affirmative parents.

R0 correctly points out the abrogation of safeguarding duties by the country's only child protection charity with statutory power. This is a scandal and should be being addressed at Cabinet level by now.

R0wantrees · 26/06/2019 11:44

Pride In London, 'Who We Are'

"Our mission
Be fully inclusive of all sections of the LGBT+ community, free at the point of access

Provide a celebration of LGBT+ life and a platform to continue the fight for equality and to challenge prejudice

Establish Pride in London on a sustainable footing and grow the festival over time to serve better the needs of London’s LGBT+ community and promote London as a beacon to the world"

prideinlondon.org/about-us

ZebrasAreBras · 26/06/2019 11:49

A grown up needs to take charge at the NSPCC. This is scandalous.

Do we know for sure that the NSPCC have agreed to those conditions?

Who are the "Senior NSPCC leaders" who will attend to "allow people to raise concerns" - perhaps they'll put them in the stocks to be pelted with rotten tomatoes ??

MockerstheFeManist · 26/06/2019 11:51

A grown up needs to take charge at the NSPCC. This is scandalous.

Wanless increasing resembles the real Captain Bligh (not the one in the films) a lenient commander who indulged his crew to the point they started removing all the nails from the ship to pay for sex with Tahitian girls.

LizzieSiddal · 26/06/2019 12:40

OnceWasBlue Thanks for the link to Twitter.

The NSPCC are at least responding to people asking what the heck is going on,

If anyone is on Twitter, it may be worth asking them a few questions.

mobile.twitter.com/CResisters/status/1143811632608501760

CassianAndor · 26/06/2019 12:43

Lizzie - well, they're sending everyone who questions them the same message. Not sure that's really 'responding', is it? I mean, they're not engaging in conversation.

Juells · 26/06/2019 13:09

aliasundercover
rubber guy
Please don't call him that, it's doing everyone a disservice.

That paragraph didn't end how I expected. Confused Grin

HumberElla · 26/06/2019 13:18

It's directly criticising the directors so presumably it's not a statement that was run past the board before being published.

There appears to be a massive disconnect between the board (who judging by their biogs are eminently respectable and have senior level safeguarding experience) and the organisation itself.

If I was a trustee and saw that public statement criticising the directors I would be calling an immediate review and demanding answers from the directorate about who exactly is running the show. A board has a right to hold directors to account and is also legally responsible for doing so.

I wonder if the board members of the NSPCC are taking those responsibilities seriously or whether they are there for kudos and career building. Because at the moment they are looking wholly inadequate either way.

RoyalCorgi · 26/06/2019 13:19

JFC. What's wrong with them? Don't they understand that their one job is to protect children and that everything else comes secondary to that?

R0wantrees · 26/06/2019 13:23

NSPCC structure & trustees:

www.nspcc.org.uk/what-we-do/about-us/organisation-structure/