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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Caroline Criado Perez targeted by TRAs

87 replies

AgileLass · 25/06/2019 13:08

twitter.com/ccriadoperez/status/1143480469180297218?s=21
Some American TRA believes Caroline to be guilty of WRONG THINK and decrees that she be boycotted.

Also targeted by the ever delightful Arthur Chu, who helpfully retweets all of his own tweets so no one misses out on his absolutely riveting thoughts on all subjects
twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/1143210088980598784?s=21

Only a matter of time, I suppose. Women must NEVER be allowed to talk about their own bodies. Dangerous Terfism, that.

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Pota2 · 25/06/2019 16:22

No, she doesn’t say TWAW but she doesn’t involve herself in the debate. Sensibly so I think, as it means people listen to her and she’s not labelled some hate figure (until now). I really suggest buying the book- it’s great.

ZebrasAreBras · 25/06/2019 16:25

"I notice she seems angry to be called a terf- her very denials seem to me to suggest she does think feminism should centre....men"

What absolute rubbish, Helen. And the sheer bloody irony of you, of all people, saying that!

Still smarting from the court case, I should think Wink Yes, Helen, you looked a right fool, and we don't forget.

Pota2 · 25/06/2019 16:26

Lol at Helen. What an idiot.

ZebrasAreBras · 25/06/2019 16:28

As far as I can tell from listening to her, and following on Twitter, CCP has steered clear of the TWAW debate. But she concentrates solely on women, and as pp's have said, specifically the biological nature of womanhood being at the root of women's oppression. Not much room for transwomen there - so that's why they're going after her. She's a 'terf' for simply centering women's biology Hmm

SunsetBeetch · 25/06/2019 16:30

It's not the first time Caroline has been targetted, is it? I think some blogger or something made a social media song-and-dance about removing Invisible Women from her book club/recommended reading thingy because CPP is a 'terve'. I think that person was a Lib Fem. Probably couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance the book would cause. Stupid, stupid people.

SunsetBeetch · 25/06/2019 16:31

*CCP

FlapsMagazine · 25/06/2019 16:43

Really annoyed, clicked on a Google link for Blackwell's and I found myself at another retailer (though I didn't realise until half way through ordering). As the payment was processing my browser shut down completely. I then got an email directing me to where I could download my order, despite ordering the hard back. They haven't responded to my email. Has anyone experienced anything like this? Bit worried it's a con given that I was redirected without warning whilst trying to access another site. Email comes from Smarterbook.

Mermoose · 25/06/2019 16:54

CCP wrote a blog post which was one of the things that made me see I was GC. It was about the term 'cis' and how it boxes women into supporting sexism. I found the blog because a nasty person who wears a child's hairslide and blue lipstick was tweeting that nobody was allowed talk to CCP or support her campaign for tax justice for women, because she had written it.
I just went to look for it and... she's deleted it!
weekwoman.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/what-does-being-cis-mean-for-a-woman/

Pota2 · 25/06/2019 16:58

Mermoose she probably deleted it because of the hate she gets. I doubt her entire beliefs have changed. People don’t tend to swing the other way from rationally believing in biology to suddenly thinking being a woman is a feeling.

NotTerfNorCis · 25/06/2019 16:58

Flap looks like a scam site unfortunately. It sounds like you'll get the book as a PDF but they trick people into thinking it's a real book.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 25/06/2019 17:03

Today I learned
Pizza signs on toilet door signs are transphobic

www.dailydot.com/unclick/trans-twitter-pizza-bathrooms-transphobic/

Women writing books on how male design effects female bodies negatively, are transphobic

And

If a woman follows someone you don't like on Twitter, that makes her transphobic "filth"

The peak gets ever higher.

Mermoose · 25/06/2019 17:08

Pota2
Yeah I know, the exclamation mark was a 'Oh my god even though I am totally aware of the crazy censorship and bullying that's going on I'm still gobsmacked when I see examples of it' exclamation mark.
MN should probably come up with an emoji for that, it would be clearer than just using an exclamation mark.

womenspeakout · 25/06/2019 17:13

What court case? And who is Helen???

NotTerfNorCis · 25/06/2019 17:13

Katvon well the good news is if they're complaining about stuff like that, they don't have any serious problems.

FlapsMagazine · 25/06/2019 17:20

NotTerfNorCis Yeah that's what I've resigned myself to. Really annoyed at myself, I normally pay better attention. I'll just have to send the link to my niece, I don't even have an e-reader.

SunsetBeetch · 25/06/2019 17:24

I like the pizza slice signs Grin

Not so keen on all the "cis nonsense" comments abou them.

NotTerfNorCis · 25/06/2019 17:24

Flaps if it's a pdf you should still be able to download it and open it in Chrome (or Adobe if you have it).

Birdsfoottrefoil · 25/06/2019 17:32

Ordered the book.

DuMondeB · 25/06/2019 17:47

I ordered it too - this came up - made me cackle with laughter, must be us Mumsnetters triggering the algorithm!

‘Frequently bought together: Invisible Women, The Gendered Brain, Good Housekeeping Baby and Child Record Book’

😆

Caroline Criado Perez targeted by TRAs
NoSquirrels · 25/06/2019 17:50

What court case? And who is Helen???

Sorry - Helen is the founder and head of the Mermaids charity for trans youth much discussed on here. She commented in Kelly’s original thread - see attached.

I then quoted a different poster - that’s not Helen, afaik.

Caroline Criado Perez targeted by TRAs
AlwaysComingHome · 25/06/2019 17:56

It’s transphobic of women not to take male-appropriate levels of drugs. Feelz are far more important than an overdose.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 25/06/2019 18:00

the two signs are pretty cisnormative, too. Both signs imply that women have vaginas and men have penises, which just isn’t true

Grin

god, the writer of that pizza slice article just sounds like an absolute lunatic don't they?

and loving the science reading mumsnetters triggering Amazon's marketing algorithms!

womenspeakout · 25/06/2019 18:04

Another man calling an American feminist a handmaiden as a gotcha, while our reproductive rights are being lost at an alarming rate. You fellas are such wonderful allies.

This was tweeted by Kelly Ellis, before she blocked me, of course.

It's ironic though, because people like Munroe don't want women to protest at a women's march for their biological reproductive organs, so any reproductive rights must be excluded.....

If she wants to protest for women's rights, she won't be able to be an ally.....

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/06/2019 18:24

Helen isn't the founder or head of Mermaids. You might be thinking of Susie Green, who's the CEO but also not the founder. Helen has been described as Mermaids Marketing Officer. I'm not sure if that was a voluntary or paid post or whether it's current. Mother of a trans boy. Complained to West Yorkshire Police last year about Miranda Yardley, who is a transsexual but identifies now as male and uses male pronouns. H accused Miranda of transphobia on Twitter. Incredibly this got to court but was thrown out immediately.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/8550151/first-uk-transgender-hate-crime-trial-scrapped/

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/a-collapsed-case-shows-the-perils-of-policing-transphobia/

NoSquirrels · 25/06/2019 18:25

Ah yes - apologies, completely hit my Susies and Helens confused Gaspode and confused everyone! As you were Grin