Pup play fans dance for children at Pride

[OrchidInTheSun]

How charming!

twitter.com/pupchester/status/1142449770893586432?s=21

When asked if he thought this was suitable entertainment for children before Pride, PupChester said no (see screenshot)

So if Pride is a celebration of fetish, why are our police and town councils supporting it so broadly? Why are we closing streets to parade BDSM fans?

Is it because these people don't have kids so have no idea about boundaries?

Has anyone made a study to see what the proportion of these people (who think this is ok) have been abused or had abusive childhoods? For there to be such a lack of perspective or understanding of right and wrong there has to be something going on.

Looking at the photos from their club and on here, they're all blokes. I very much doubt many of them are primary school teachers.

Or nursery nurses.

I think they're so into their fetish, that it's their whole world. And that's fine - in private - keep it away from children.

Pretty sick of fetishists on twitter making out child safeguarding is some sort of pearlclutching fuddy-duddyness.

There's this about the link between BDSM and BPD, and BPD is largely a reaction to trauma, but I think this study is in its early days. Anecdotally though this chimes with my experience around women and trauma www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27600835/

Some interesting points about whether these men are aware of boundaries. Interesting that Pride committee involved AND the police were around and did not see a major problem.
People brought children into their sex games and normalised extreme kink behaviour. At least one of them was obviously aroused. This was a sex scene that would be relived later and the children as participants and audience were an important part of that scene.
Arrests should be made. It's an incredible violation of normal standards of behaviour.

They should be aware, but when the other people not directly involved seem unaware.... what is going on there?

A few people I've chatted with who don't seem to see the issue seem to be of the sex positive type, but mostly there seems to be a kind of unawareness about kink and fetishes. Like they think the stuff at Pride is mostly a camp joke, I guess.

There's a lot of stuff going on at the moment about what Pride is and who it's for. Some people, for instance, object to allowing uniformed police officers or military personnel to join in, due to the long history of abuse of LGBTQ people by the authorities. Some don't care for what they see as 'respectability politics' and many resent the corporate involvement and commercialisation - buy your rainbow tat here, made by slave labour and destroying the environment, etc.
It's possible to be a quiet, monogamous, married lesbian/gay person and still be a little unhappy about the selling of Pride as a family-friendly day out for straight tourists.
But there's no need to get in that much of a panic about the presence of some people wearing wierd clothes. All you need to tell your DC is that, just as they enjoy toys, games, and dressing up, so do some adults, but that there are toys and costumes for kids and toys and costumes for adults.

There's also some echos here of the sort of attitude that complains about homosexuality being 'flaunted' by which the complainers mean being actually visible ie a same sex couple holding hands or kissing each other. It's OK to kiss the person you love in public, but even if you are the most respectable of married heterosexuals, it's not OK to give your beloved a hand job in the middle of the high street, obviously. Wearing strange clothes or accessories is not in itself harmful or there would be a ban on fancy-dress parties, Morris dancers and religious processions to start with. You don't, after all, know how many religious processors - or folk dancers - are getting an erotic thrill from what they are doing in public and you don't need to know.

Morris dancing is not really comparable. You can't say you are being private about sex and then take your paraphernalia out in public, that's not private.

Morris dancing doesn't seem to be a turn on for anyone that I have ever heard of. If it is they are keeping it really quiet which is good enough for me.

Morris dancing doesn't seem to be a turn on for anyone

Plus, it’s much easier to explain Morris Dancing to a child than it is to explain fetish. You can even look up the history of it online or get a book from the library.

I've had a reply from the Pride organisers for the Pride near me saying they are looking into following a number of complaints made to the Pride organisers around the UK. I'm hoping there will be some kind of a public statement made but failing that I will post back news.

Also hoping it's not the cry of kink-shaming but rather a supportive and understanding reply that respects our concerns as parents on safeguarding and the display of fetishes to children at a public 'family friendly' event.

We'll see...

Also...PAW Patrol will never be the same again, especially Mission Paw where the pups wear those masks...

Agree with you there Holy (paw patrol)
And well done sending that email!

I’m not ecstatic about people bringing their fetishes to a street parade, but if they’re going to, then let’s at least make sure that street parade isn’t advertised as a family day out

Good work OhHolyJesus

@Goosefoot I'll have you know that Morris dancing is very sexy for some people. There's even erotica written about it...

But I do have some sympathy for those who don't want Pride, which started as an angry, defiant protest movement, to be sanitised into a Nice Day Out for Your Kiddies. Whether demos and protests in general are suitable for DC to participate in is something worth thinking about.

You can also look up the history of Pride, and of gay liberation, if you wish...

I do have some sympathy for those who don't want Pride, which started as an angry, defiant protest movement, to be sanitised into a Nice Day Out for Your Kiddies

I completely agree with this. Pride is about being a visible homosexual, being out. It’s not a day out for the kiddies. Still doesn’t make taking your fetishes into public places OK though

Pride has really lost its way. To all these people losing their shit about Get The L Out, I just think ‘diddums. Did the nasty lesbians ruin your corporate parade by protesting about people trying to control who they should love?’

You can also look up the history of Pride, and of gay liberation, if you wish

And this will answer questions about fetish? How?

I'll have you know that Morris dancing is very sexy for some people. There's even erotica written about it...

Good Lord. Who knew?

I do have some sympathy for those who don't want Pride, which started as an angry, defiant protest movement

THis is a normal reaction, but these people need to just grow up. Most of us get some satisfaction at some point in our lives by being countercultural or outside the norm. But if you are advocating for normalisation of something you need to realise that once that happens, it is no longer countercultural. It might even come to be the more powerful cultural idea with all the issues with power and corruption which that entails.

A cause like this doesn't exist for people's personal desire to be cool or special. And most people as they mature come to realise that if being countercultural is so important to your sense of self it may reflect a need to become more sure of yourself.

I think the way lesbian culture has been completely infiltrated by males who essentially want to have heterosexual sex, and the lack of support for lesbians objecting to that is pretty comprehensive proof that being a female homosexual at least is still counter cultural

Goosefoot: oh really? So it's 'immature' to reject a very narrow, corporate version of what is acceptable 'gay' behaviour (nothing scary, love and unicorns and dancing pixies and no nasty sex stuff)? Plenty of gay people are unhappy with the idea that everyone should just be respectable and monogamous and then they can have their equal rights. I don't think it's particularly unreasonable to resent the way a lot of the presentation of Pride these days involves this very fluffy rainbow glittery let's-all-be-naice material that barely even mentions, you know, sexuality.

I think I must be doing the wrong sort of Morris dancing. Have not seen the erotic version.

Don't forget that the struggle for rights by any minority isn't necessarily the struggle to be accepted only if you keep quiet and don't look any different to anyone else. It's about the right to do the things you want to do, which don't harm other people in the least. Dressing up in strange clothes is not harmful to other people, even if they don't care for your taste in fashion. (OK, the issue of buying cheap clothes and associated exploitation and environmental damage is another topic).

Ugh ugh ugh

Erotic Morris Dancing

I never understood the meaning of the phrase ‘brain bleach’ before now

But enacting sexual domination and submission in the street does harm others

I don’t want to see it and I don’t want my kids to see it. And I’m not going to keep them indoors when it’s Pride! Our local one is in the park