Pup play fans dance for children at Pride

[OrchidInTheSun]

How charming!

twitter.com/pupchester/status/1142449770893586432?s=21

When asked if he thought this was suitable entertainment for children before Pride, PupChester said no (see screenshot)

So if Pride is a celebration of fetish, why are our police and town councils supporting it so broadly? Why are we closing streets to parade BDSM fans?

I've only just started thinking about this. I'm listening to 'Superior' by Angela Saini, which is about race and science. It has a long section at the beginning about racial identity. I always thought I didn't have one, but that is because here in britain, I'm the default, I'm a fish in water, so I've never needed to think about it. I can't quite believe this is the first time I'm thinking about this stuff

turns out all that time spent studying maths was a bit pointless. if you really want to be able to understands what's going on sociology is the thing

I am a mathematician too. I'm waiting for the pi= 6 nonsense to start

Magdalen Berns, (god love her) described the difference between sexualilty and kinks in one of her videos - something along the lines that to suggest they are one and the same is to suggest sexuality is a choice which is the same line that conversion therapies take.

I'm racking my brains to remember which one - perhaps the Riley Dennis take-down.

You could take that as an argument for leaving kink out of Pride, (not that that's the point she was making in the video, to be clear.)

Yes that's where I'm coming from. Sexuality is a stable, intrinsic part of yourself. Liking to wear a collar and lead and eat shmakos is a sexual hobby.

I think part of the problem with kink is these things do become very intrinsic to people's identity, and actually, they're not conducive to having a normal life. if you have to go off every weekend to be run round the park by your owner, what do you tell your kids about that? or you can;t use the toilet without permission, or whatever the hell else

there have been a couple of very sad posts on here from people who were raised in the 70s and 80s by open swingers, and about the effect that had on them as children and adults.

A basic question - is this sort of fetishism sexual roleplay or not? If so it must be private because by law we don't permit children to be in proximity to adults engaging in sex play. That's 101 safeguarding.

An observation - I do get that there's an element of escapism to dressing up - like cosplay for example where adults enjoy losing themselves in a character, and I'll even give the furries the benefit of the doubt in the main.

...but when it comes to bondage, "adult babies" or puppy play, the dynamics are totally different - it's about dominance and submission and that's not a message which helps children form healthy ideas about adult relationships. It's something that adults can process in context. But again they're so self absorbed that because they are cool with it everyone else will be too, and hey its not harming me so how is it harming children. Children just do not process things with an adult's sophistication.

Do we want kids to think intimate relationships have to have someone "in charge"? Of course we bloody don't!

Yes, @BernardBlacksWineIcelolly 'littlies' is another word for adult babies (vomit).

I reckon, adult babies are men who are basically paedophiles but cannot act on it as it is illegal and will result in them going to jail, so they dress up as babies and shag each other.

And furries are into bestiality but cannot act on it as it is illegal and will result in them going to jail, so they dress up as animals and shag each other.

And they are looking at all the different ways to get this out into the public realm, as close to children as they can, and attempt to normalise it. Fuck.That. Shit

Why are all these companies and institutions sponsoring Pride when it has been infiltrated by these psychos?

I've written to the organisers of my local Pride to ask what they are going to do about this if it's present at this Pride. I don't know how they control what someone is wearing even if it is clearly fetish gear especially as it's a public place so how do they throw them out if it is banned? The Pride in question has been billed as family friendly so they have a responsibility to ensure it is family friendly if that is the premise on which parents and children are attending.

Anyone here have experience of how this sort of thing is managed? The police are seen dancing with those men so they were clearly not bothered by what they were wearing!

Adult babies seem to want to be the baby themselves - I saw it referred to (on here I think) as autopaedophilia which I think is probably more accurate, similar to men with AGP being attracted to the idea of themselves as women, far more than they are attracted to women.

Furries, dunno. I think if it was straight bestiality they'd go for much more realistic costumes instead of the exaggerated cartoon character type of thing.

There seems to be a lot of crossover with both 'communities' and with actual paedophilia and bestiality as well though.

It's all very sordid and even the 'responsible' ones don't seem to have any boundaries.

There's massive cognitive dissonance going on with Pride - how can you have these pup people with tents full of kids toys, protesting that it wasn't meant for kids, and at the same time welcome Mermaids with their stalls which are supposed to be child friendly, with their (actual) puppies and sweeties and whatever?

My worry about the adult babies is really the people who undertake sexual activity with them.

And the setting of a play group as a location for sexual activity

There was a case in Canada of an adult baby at college demanding female staff changed their nappy etc. It was taken to court of human rights and the staff took college to court over it. Don't know what the outcome was. It's the direction of travel rights of kink as human right.

I think the only people who have sexual contact with adult babies are paid to do so tbh.

We seem to have all kinds of capacities to create identity. My guess is it is part of creating group cohesion and it can be very flexible, you can identify with being working class, or a member of a family group or tribe, a member of a caste or religion, and all kinds of overlapping things as well. They anchor us to other people to place and also create a kind of way to think about ourselves, to be self-concious.

In 2019 we also identify with political wings, corporate logos, pop stars, fandoms, subcultures, sexual orientation, hobbies, ad a thousand other things. Maybe so many because the more we are disconnected from others the more we try and compensate, or our very large communities mean we need to create smaller ones of a more natural size?

This whole business that these are about our authentic self is pretty bs though, a lot of the time they cover up our authentic self, they act as a sort of mask. It's getting behind those masks where we get to see ourselves most truly and openly, and I think at least realising that they are constructed identities is part of becoming mature.

FWIW, sexuality as a form of identity isn't ubiquitous across time and culture. People having some sort of innate sexual interests doesn't seem to correspond with those being noted as an axis of identity.

If Pupchester wants to host these activities in a private, ticket only, adult only venue then I have no objection. Of course it would probably mean losing some of that nice corporate Pride sponsorship but surely that's a price worth paying to be their true, authentic selves?

They don't want to stay in private fetish clubs. That's 'boring'. Part of the kink is to be out in the open and to make others feel uncomfortable. It's the transgression/destruction of boundaries. There is a concerted effort at the moment to get their kink out of the private and into the public realm - including into areas where there are children (kid's tent at Pride, and public parks - as in @PawsEvent in Southampton/Portsmouth. This is the 'queering' of boundaries that @ThatDoctorEm talks about so well.

@OhHolyJesus, that's a great idea to write to Pride organisers and ask them if they are family friendly, and what they would do if people turn up in full fetish gear. They need to start looking into this, and taking responsibility. If you want to contact your local Pride organisers, all the events are listed here, with links to each one: pinkuk.com/events/gay-pride-2019

There was a case in Canada of an adult baby at college demanding female staff changed their nappy etc.

jfc

This is becoming all very odd. The Ts are being pushed out for the furries.

On another note - I saw a tweet of an adult baby talking about a lovely day out they had with another adult baby - and the photo of them in their lumpy-bummed (I assume nappies) rompers sitting on a picnic blanket with piles of Lego.

‘Oh dear’ I thought ‘you never give a baby Lego to play with’. I give up!

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www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-island-university-fetish-student-professor-fired-1.4400306

The Canada case was truly disturbing. Terrible women discriminating against that poor adult baby by refusing to participate in his fetish.

I remember reading an article about a dominatrix who got paid really well for giving that sort of treatment.

Looks like the BC Board of Human Rights made things so difficult for Roth that she was forced to drop her complaint. http://www.bchrt.bc.ca/shareddocs/decisions/2018/feb/48ProfessorrobootherssvUniversityyandotherssNo222018BCHRTT48.pdf

I have to say that I used to really want to visit Canada. No more. It's a terrifying place where men's sexual fetishes are allowed to run rampant over women's boundaries. It's fucked for women.

Am attaching screenshots of a prominent transactivist saying that this is all perfectly fine and it's just "homophobic terfs" complaining and fetishists are around kids all the time. Around adults playing sex games and being aroused.

"What do they think their kid's teachers and nursery nurses do at the weekend?"

Well, I couldn't care less, as long as they leave the dog masks at home when they leave for work.

Although I really can't see many of my kid's teachers getting off on wearing a dog sex mask and being led around on a chain.

Honestly, are these people really so detached from reality that they can't see how utterly depraved and inappropriate this is? They can't see a difference between "on the weekend" and "with children present"?

Do they seriously think that everyone is into this stuff? They huddle together in their pervy fetishy twitter cliques, and they've lost touch with the real world.

A PP made the point that ‘puppy play’ is about domination and submission. That’s why it’s not OK to do it around children, not because some of the people doing it are homosexual.

Children won’t be able to, and shouldn’t be expected to, contextualise that dynamic, and it’s certainly not something any responsible parent would want their children reproducing whilst they are children