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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girls and names for body parts - aibu?

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nightwakingquilt · 19/06/2019 22:49

Probably should be in AIBU but I wanted the opinions of the feminism crowd in particular...

We've always taught my 7 yo daughter the correct anatomical names for her body - vulva, vagina, etc. A few days ago, when DD was off to the loo at a party, I was reminding her privately to wipe carefully after a poo so that the skin on her bottom and vulva didn't get sore (she sometimes still doesn't wipe very well and then ends up with irritated skin). Thought nothing of it until a while later a mum who I'm normally quite friendly with came up to me and took issue with this, saying she had overheard me, and her daughter didn't know that word, and she was deeply shocked as she had never heard of anyone who used that word to a child and then (!) quite literally went on to compare it to child abuse. I was so taken aback that I didn't quite know what to say and am now terrified of her going about telling other mums I'm some sort of sex abuser! Also pretty offended at this, and at being told it's inappropriate to have "taught her that word". It seemed to be particularly the use of "vulva" that she objected to - she said even vagina would be better despite being literally incorrect (DD knows the difference between the two and though we do also refer to "bits" or "private parts" in general, I was very specifically referring to the vulva rather than the vagina in my comment).

But this is ridiculous, right? It's perfectly rational and normal to use the anatomically correct terms, even if it's still not run of the mill? I mean they've all had their first lot of PSHE and as far as I know were taught the correct anatomical terms at school.

My mum always used the euphemistic "bottom" and it was horrendously confusing - you basically had to work it out from context which bit she meant. I'm not keen on it being seen as essentially dirty and shameful, either, which "bottom" implies; nor on calling it something daft like "tuppence". I did some research on this - partly on MN! - when DD was about 2 and as far as I recall it was actually considered good safeguarding practice to use the correct terms (as well as empowering and good for reducing stigma about the female body). Has this become really weird in the last couple of years, or is other mum just a nut? Wondering if anyone has any good resources on why it's good to teach your child the correct terms, so I can send them to her to prove I'm not some child-abusing weirdo?

I thought things had become a bit better over the last few years or so about this but clearly I'm wrong. Is the female body really still considered so shameful and inappropriate that a 7 yo knowing that her vulva is called a vulva is so outrageous?

[As an aside on a completely other note, DD reported to me that Young Woke Male TA corrected her during their PSHE lesson when she said that females have uteruses. "He said that not all people with uteruses are females, mummy, wasn't that silly of him?" Was glad to hear this week that Young Woke Male TA is off to another school...]

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Sittinonthefloor · 19/06/2019 22:58

Hmm. I’m a science teacher so I’m all for knowing and using the correct technology. BUT it’s important to know that other people might find it odd and to be sensitive to that. Eg I would expect a little boy to say willy in ‘everyday language’ but to know the word penis for science / medical purpose. With dd she knew the correct terms at the age but we probably said ‘front bottom’ or ‘fanny’ in every day speech. I have since learnt that lots of people find ‘fanny’ rude though- I had no idea! 😳! Euphemisms like ‘flower’ are just twee and confusing, people referring to external genitalia as ‘vagina’ gives me the rage!

Sittinonthefloor · 19/06/2019 22:59

Terminology not technology 😳. autocorrect!

Eaudear · 19/06/2019 23:00

OK, I know that really, there is nothing wrong with teaching a girl the word 'vulva' and that we should all be doing it.

But... I have literally never heard of a child of that age (or anyone really) in real life using it, and I have to say, I would think it was really strange to hear a mum saying to a girl 'wipe your vulva'.

But I guess it's societies problem really, there is nothing wrong with the word 'vulva' apart from that it sounds absolutely hideous as a word

TheInebriati · 19/06/2019 23:01

Its the opposite of abuse to use anatomical terms. Its considered best practice; twee language can indicate that you are shamed by her body. It makes it impossible to be accurate, how are you supposed to explain ovulation, menstruation or how we become pregnant?
Also children who are abused have often been taught language that helps to hides the abuse. It makes it difficult to find out what happened as they use words that no one else can understand.

If you google ''why teach children the correct names for body parts'' there are loads of links.

CassianAndor · 19/06/2019 23:02

Well, first off I’d be complaining to the school about the TA telling the children gardbage like that. FFS.

I wouldn’t sweat it, she’s talking rubbish about child abuse.

Eaudear · 19/06/2019 23:03

I use 'noonie' for my DD who is 6 (the 'oo' sound as in 'book') Blush

She does know vagina and I have told her that vulva is the proper term, but can't imagine using it in every day language.

I guess it is the same as knowing 'penis' but using 'willy' in everyday life.

youkiddingme · 19/06/2019 23:04

I have to confess that I struggle to use vulva in public, but I'm ancient, was brought up with very silly alternatives, and totally own that it's my problem. Of course you're not a child abuser! Why couldn't she just say to her daughter, 'it's the name scientists and doctors use for what we call...'

I don't actually have a problem with people using different terms, I use common names for all the plants in my garden because I can't remember the proper ones. But that reaction was OTT imo.

megletthesecond · 19/06/2019 23:04

My 10yr old DD knows it and uses the word. But we also use 'binky'

Mind you, both dc's think it's hilarious there's a car called a Volvo and a reality sleb called Binky 🙄.

Justkeeprollingalong · 19/06/2019 23:06

Why would you think it necessary to remind your daughter to wipe her vulva at a party?

nightwakingquilt · 19/06/2019 23:11

We tend to just say "bits" most of the time anyway, but DD does like to know the names of things. I have to confess I don't mind vulva, it sounds quite cuddly compared to vagina! I wasn't aware it was considered quite so weird to use it, though :( I'm sure they've taught the boys to say "penis" at school.

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nightwakingquilt · 19/06/2019 23:13

Justkeeprolling I asked her to remember to wipe her bottom properly, as the skin on her bottom and vulva gets sore when she doesn't. AFAIK this is pretty common for 7 yo girls.

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nightwakingquilt · 19/06/2019 23:13

This was a private conversation with DD who asked me to take her to the loo as she needed a poo! FFS.

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AlwaysComingHome · 19/06/2019 23:20

A few days ago, when DD was off to the loo at a party, I was reminding her privately to wipe carefully after a poo so that the skin on her bottom and vulva didn't get sore (she sometimes still doesn't wipe very well and then ends up with irritated skin). Thought nothing of it until a while later a mum who I'm normally quite friendly with came up to me and took issue with this, saying she had overheard me, and her daughter didn't know that word,

I’d have said ‘Sorry, I didn’t mean to say poo. I meant to say shit.’

I’m the kind of person who responds to a ticking off over my language by doubling down.

AlwaysComingHome · 19/06/2019 23:23

My 10yr old DD knows it and uses the word. But we also use 'Binky’

That’s Death’s horse’s name in the Discworld books. Mort will never be the same to me now.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 19/06/2019 23:26

nightwakingquilt
Interested in this as I have a toddler who I tell the correct words for her vulva and vagina.I wasn't taught them as a child. I've heard plenty of times people saying willy though about boys, it's more accepted for some reason.
Justkeeprollingalong If you heard someone saying to their child, make sure to wipe your willy when they go to the toilet would you think that's unneccesay?

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 19/06/2019 23:31

*unnecessary
Gah, that word always makes my eyes a bit funny.

donquixotedelamancha · 19/06/2019 23:33

BUT it’s important to know that other people might find it odd and to be sensitive to that.

Genuinely why?

Obviously be sensitive to when you discuss this stuff (now DD, if you go to tea with the queen, don't mention that your your minge is pongin') but why make up names?

Mort will never be the same to me now.

Mort felt Binky was staring at him.

YANBU OP. Both my young DDs know and use the right words. The other mum is batshit.

RedLemon · 19/06/2019 23:34

I use vulva with my two DDs but I’ll admit I had to do a bit of “getting over it” in order to do so because my dislike of the term was so strong. But I reckoned that was just my own internalized misogyny so I had a word with myself (the word was vulva- repeated till I was deconditionedGrin).

GrinitchSpinach · 19/06/2019 23:35

FWIW, nightwakingquilt, I have taught my own primary-aged daughters exactly the same (correct, accurate, non-shaming) terminology.

I hope that if a similarly bonkers parent tried to call me out on it, I would have the presence of mind to laugh loudly in her face. I'd also wish I had the southern (US) heritage to justify throwing a passive-aggressive "Well, bless your heart!" her way.

nightwakingquilt · 20/06/2019 00:00

Thank you everyone who's responded so far! I'm dead tired so need to sleep, but all of the replies are really interesting. Thanks for reassuring me there are others out there who use the anatomical terms too. I thought these days people were a bit less prudish about it...it seems to me just self-evident that girls shouldn't feel like the correct names for their body are something shocking or shameful. I honestly don't think the other mum would have been so shocked about the word penis.

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realdoctor · 20/06/2019 00:02

YANBU

sueseyphone · 20/06/2019 00:03

I've not taught my girl the word vulva (she's much littler) but I agree that we need to teach children, particularly little girls, the correct names for their private parts.
My DD proudly says "fagina" and it's cute (She also calls them private parts in more public situations). I find vulva perhaps a bit more graphic, but it's certainly good to know the correct terminology.
I don't have any references but a relative of mine is a child psychologist and I remember her telling me how important it was when I had my first child. Apparently most nurseries use the correct terminology too now.
Nothing is gained from euphemism. If a little girl tells a someone that her uncle touches her "Minnie" (or something like that) it's ambiguous. The person has to ask more questions and be willing to delve deeper and the child has to continue to respond and not retract which takes a lot of courage on both parts. If the child knows the correct terms they can say "my uncle touches my vagina / vulva" and it's unambiguous. No one has to do any detective work at that stage at least. I would have thought that was obvious. The other mum sounds like an idiot.

barelove · 20/06/2019 00:09

I'm so happy that mums like you are raising their daughters to use the correct names for their body parts. Why is it just our children's vulvas and penises that get called such ridiculous pet names?

It's so good for them to know that there's no shame in any of their body parts and that it's not up to them to protect other people from being offended at hearing these correct words used.

I think you're doing great and the other mum just isn't brave enough to challenge her indoctrination yet so is defending her position by trying to make you feel bad about yours.

Really hope it doesn't put you off. The next generation needs mums like you to help raise daughters and sons who have a healthy relationship with their bodies and a clear sense of ownership that will serve them well.

DanaPhoenix · 20/06/2019 00:25

Both my boys where taught the correct anatomical terms.
I think it's incredibly important, especially in terms of safeguarding and hygiene.

I can't help wondering (as someone not in the UK) if with all the media attention on the protests against the No Ousider Program, there is a wider conversation about what children are taught and at what age. Maybe that's what prompted that parents reaction. Not defending just trying to wonder where it came from.

Purpleartichoke · 20/06/2019 01:27

She is being ridiculous and I feel
Bad for her child. Not teaching your child about their body is not a parenting choice, it is simply bad parenting.

I would not change your language in private or public.

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