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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girls and names for body parts - aibu?

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nightwakingquilt · 19/06/2019 22:49

Probably should be in AIBU but I wanted the opinions of the feminism crowd in particular...

We've always taught my 7 yo daughter the correct anatomical names for her body - vulva, vagina, etc. A few days ago, when DD was off to the loo at a party, I was reminding her privately to wipe carefully after a poo so that the skin on her bottom and vulva didn't get sore (she sometimes still doesn't wipe very well and then ends up with irritated skin). Thought nothing of it until a while later a mum who I'm normally quite friendly with came up to me and took issue with this, saying she had overheard me, and her daughter didn't know that word, and she was deeply shocked as she had never heard of anyone who used that word to a child and then (!) quite literally went on to compare it to child abuse. I was so taken aback that I didn't quite know what to say and am now terrified of her going about telling other mums I'm some sort of sex abuser! Also pretty offended at this, and at being told it's inappropriate to have "taught her that word". It seemed to be particularly the use of "vulva" that she objected to - she said even vagina would be better despite being literally incorrect (DD knows the difference between the two and though we do also refer to "bits" or "private parts" in general, I was very specifically referring to the vulva rather than the vagina in my comment).

But this is ridiculous, right? It's perfectly rational and normal to use the anatomically correct terms, even if it's still not run of the mill? I mean they've all had their first lot of PSHE and as far as I know were taught the correct anatomical terms at school.

My mum always used the euphemistic "bottom" and it was horrendously confusing - you basically had to work it out from context which bit she meant. I'm not keen on it being seen as essentially dirty and shameful, either, which "bottom" implies; nor on calling it something daft like "tuppence". I did some research on this - partly on MN! - when DD was about 2 and as far as I recall it was actually considered good safeguarding practice to use the correct terms (as well as empowering and good for reducing stigma about the female body). Has this become really weird in the last couple of years, or is other mum just a nut? Wondering if anyone has any good resources on why it's good to teach your child the correct terms, so I can send them to her to prove I'm not some child-abusing weirdo?

I thought things had become a bit better over the last few years or so about this but clearly I'm wrong. Is the female body really still considered so shameful and inappropriate that a 7 yo knowing that her vulva is called a vulva is so outrageous?

[As an aside on a completely other note, DD reported to me that Young Woke Male TA corrected her during their PSHE lesson when she said that females have uteruses. "He said that not all people with uteruses are females, mummy, wasn't that silly of him?" Was glad to hear this week that Young Woke Male TA is off to another school...]

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NeurotrashWarrior · 21/06/2019 19:56

I had a conversation with a Gp friend who used penis with his first two sons but hadn't used correct terms with his daughter.

We discussed how really he should and it was appropriate but he seemed to feel
Uncomfortable about it.

I've always known that it was important from a safeguarding POV so children are extremely clear about areas of the body that are private, mustn't be touched by others etc. Nicknames can be vague and personal.

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/06/2019 19:59

It's also part of de stigmatising women's anatomy.

Naming it a flower indicates it's true name is unpleasant or shameful.

Tootsweets23 · 22/06/2019 10:07

This is it in a nutshell - we've been conditioned to think the word vulva is yuck or shameful, when it is no more weird than clavicle or ulna. Although having said I still find the word scrotum pretty urgh, will have to work at that one for when I have to use it for my son when he's older.

Babdoc · 22/06/2019 10:39

You might also ponder the sexist reasons why “cunt” is considered the foulest obscenity one can utter - worse than any slang for male body parts, such as “prick”.
Personally I think we should reclaim the word (it was the standard term in Chaucer’s day), rather as African Americans reclaimed the n word to use between themselves.
It’s high time women took pride in their amazing bodies, that can create and nurture life itself!

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