Why can’t transgender lesbians just date each other?

[Hithere12]

I keep seeing online transgender women so angry a female lesbian doesn’t want to date someone trans, but it begs the question why can’t they just date each other?

If they genuinely believe a trans woman is without question a woman and they are attracted to women then surely this would solve all their problems in terms of finding a partner? They could just date each other? Unless they don’t want to date trans women because they don’t see trans women as real women? Hmm

Crikey

mention of the fact that lots of men who enjoy role playing as women are sexually aroused by seeing themselves as women gets deleted pretty quick huh?

Males Claiming men can be female homosexuals is, of course, a power play.

Its also trying to frame 'fact' as something which is an 'opinion'.

The difference between fact and opinion is something you learn in yr3.

What a lesbian is, is not something that is an opinion.

Anyone trying to suggest it is, is trying to put on a demonstration of power over women. It is a bit of a 'tell'.

I haven’t reported anyone! but I am going to have to step away for the time being now. I’ve contributed all the time I was willing to spend on this task, which I believe was a lot.

I want to thank you all for your patience, interest in me and my experiences, and taking the time to engage with me in this thoughtful dialogue. I especially appreciate those that were respectful!

please enjoy your evenings!

Your experiences and opinion are irrelevant to what a lesbian is. You seem to be struggling to grasp this.

A lesbian is a female. Is born female. And always remain female. Because SEX not gender.

Saying that lesbians can be male is homophobic. Its trying to replace sex with gender. Lesbians are homosexuals.

This is itself is patronising and insulting. Your thoughts are valid and important, based in fact, according to your own opinion of yourself. Our thoughts and opinions are "beliefs", not based in fact. Nice.

(That was in response to someone whose message I guess got taken down). I believe you all have to right to your beliefs and I hope for happiness for your lives!! Please sleep with you want and consider things however you like! I only wished to have my own views and experiences represented, and I’m very thankful for the opportunity :-)

oh I also never mean to misconstrue a facts and a belief for the record, and I’m not saying my beliefs are any more valid than yours!!

Not read the full thread, but absolutely this!

Thank you so much Veronica for giving such a detailed insight into your life and how your mind works as a transwoman. We've learned so much and as you say your posts are a legacy for future readers. They really showcase the delusion of reality. Thank you so much.

Translation:
I'm going to continue to be patronising even though its been pointed out how disrespectful it is. I'll throw in a side of passive aggressiveness dressed as 'niceness' to go with it.

We do see straight through the veneer of trying to over do the 'niceness', y'know.

Of course your not.

Veronica is with the facts.
With them. But not understanding them. Or recognising them. Even if bitten on a pretty whittle nosey.

Ps lesbians are still not interested in men whatever they're wearing. Or what men have to say about the matter.

Oh I almost forgot one thing, for people questioning my right to share about my experiences in these areas, although I think I mentioned this already—

the entire reason I felt it was worth doing in the first place is because the op asked a question about trans people, and people started talking about trans experiences, and based on my experiences getting everything terribly wrong about how things have been for me personally.

had you not been discussing trans issues, i would not have felt any impulse to speak. It wasn’t to dominate anyone. I respect all of your views. It is not from a desire to correct anyone, but only to have representation for a group you are misrepresenting as mentioned in my initial post. It is ironic that you question my right to speak while you discuss your opinions of how my experiences must work, and then for some to claim to not care when you say they’re not what you thought.

it’s your right. I don’t judge.I don’t even blame you! I simply take responsibility for myself, and try not to judge other people. I just wanted to clarify this for anyone else who might read it, and be less sure of their views.

thats all. thanks again :-)

You just can't help yourself can you?

'Look how wonderful and accepting I am, in allowing you to discuss this. Since this is about trans women'.

No. Its not about trans women. Its about lesbians not being free from harassment of males. The whole point is its about the inability of lesbians to centre themselves and themselves because trans women won't allow them to do this free of males.

Hope that makes the point clearly enough. Its not about you.

And I do apologize for any responses I didn’t get to. It was a lot of responses. Your ideas are still important to me

This is like one of those phonelines you call, and are on hold for hours, that goes 'we are sorry for keeping you waiting, you phonecall is important to us'

Then you get through after being on hold for 45 mins only to have the pleasant of some numpty in a call centre who doesn't listen to a word of your reasonable complaint, suggests the problem lies at your end, won't take responsibility and generally gives you utterly shite customer service.

In the end you ask to be put through to a manager, since this is the fourth time you've actually called trying to solve the problem with their incompetent service.

Inevitably, after contacting the OfAgency or whatever it is, the company eventually gives you a non-apology but will give you a derisory offer of compensation as a 'gesture of goodwill' whilst never taking responsibility for their fuck up.

How grandiose you sound, Veronica, and how male too. No one here cares whether our opinions are important to you. Your opinions aren't important to me. I don't care what you think. You're coming from a position of lies and fakeness and lack of integrity and we're not. We're the genuine article: biological women.

the entire reason I felt it was worth doing in the first place is because the op asked a question about trans people, and people started talking about trans experiences, and based on my experiences getting everything terribly wrong about how things have been for me personally.

This thread's not about you. It's about the self serving male concept that lesbians can be male.

Why can’t transgender lesbians just date each other?

Yes, life would be much easier for many if they only would...

I respect your opinion so much. Thank you for your contribution!

there is a word called gaslighting, and it involves trying to tell someone they are “crazy” for sharing of their thoughts own experiences.

I know it must be I guess the word is “bollocks” that there are women claiming to be lesbians out there sleeping with transsexuals, and men claiming to be heterosexual. I know that must really bother at you, and I fully respect your position and beliefs in this area.

unfortunately I can’t fix this situation for you. I can only respect your opinions and you as a person. how you choose to treat me and think of to me doesn’t matter to me as much as what I think of me and what god thinks of me, but I do value it and seek to learn more about myself with every experience, including this one. Thank you for contributing to my character and my confidence :-)

I know, I’m pretty proud and satisfied with who I am. I understand I’m a bit vain, but what’s wrong with loving ourselves?

I’m not after you, and I do respect you as a woman. All I did ever was state my experiences. I wonder if you ever received so much ill treatment for doing so, and feel the need to capitulate.

If so, I’m very sorry for what you went through. You don’t deserve it for being gay. You don’t deserve it for any reason at all. You deserve much better. that’s, again, just my opinion.

have a nice evening

:-)

More than any other priority, I really just want to support and accept everyone here. I apologize if I didn’t adequately get that across.

I was followed once, for some time, without my knowledge, until one night he attacked me in the street, pulled out handfuls of my hair and tore my coat (all the buttons fell off making that pling-pling-pling sound I can still hear if I try).

I managed to escape, relatively intact (because there were still people around), called the police etc., and then later found out that he had followed me for several days.

A total stranger, a generation older than I was then, and stalking young women was what he did. A bad experience, not one I would wish anyone to have.

Crikey. These last pages really have been insightful to say the least.

I have learned that society really does need to do better. Because if people really believe that a mix of artificial hormones, extreme cosmetic surgeries and adopting stereotypical cues is someone changing sex, then those responsible for selling that dream are directly responsible for harming those who believe it.

It must be tough to find out that a male person’s perception of the lived experience of being female is only ever going to be the male perception and enactment of being female. Never a true experience.

Just like it must be tough fully believing you (general you) ‘pass’ as a woman because of people’s reactions, but the reality is many people will know very quickly that you (general you) are not female. More often women will know. Some straight away and will play along for many reasons, their own safety is just one. But realising that people’s reactions to you (general you) are not honest must eventually cause some serious issues.

I think any male who believes their hypersexualised version of womanhood is getting a reaction because people perceive them as a woman, must eventually understand that men are reacting to the hypersexualised nature of the person, not to the ‘womanliness’. It doesn’t take much considering the news reports of those men who find drains and hole in fences to stick their dicks in.

Either way, the past pages have added to our knowledge on how male people really think. Or more confirmed what many of us knew.

all of which can and are synthesized

But artificial cross-sex hormones cannot replicate the individual balance of natal sex.