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A) Queer theory/TRA ideology is pushed in the media, because it is a men’s right movement, and men have money and power in society, so can push ideologies that benefit them. Of course they will vilify any women’s movement that opposes them, but the queer theory/TRA ideology still needs to be uprooted as it harmful to females and children, that won’t happen if women are not challenging it because they don’t want to come across as being mean to a subset of men.
B) If mumsnet changes their policy and allows women to use our own terms then TRA’s may well flood the site advertisers with complaints. I don’t think mumsnet (a site mainly for females) should be cowed by such threats. I think most reasonable people would view men who did that as unhinged MRA’s trying to control women’s speech. It is never the right move to give into such bullying coercive behaviour imo.
C) Women should be permitted to use our own terms to talk about safeguarding, as well as to describe our own views, thoughts and feelings, without being restricted because some males don’t like what we say or how we say it.
D) Many women find it massively offensive and demeaning when males call themselves women, transwomen, and lesbians, male’s feelings should not be more important than female’s, particularly on a feminist board. It is accurate to describe males as men. When we name males as men, it helps people to understand the reality of what is actually going on when they demand entrance to our spaces. For example, saying ‘a transwoman believes she should have the right to enter female spaces, because she claims she poses no harm to women’, has a very different impact to saying ‘a man who claims he is a woman believes he should have the right to enter females spaces, because he claims he poses no harm to women’. The latter is more likely to get the public to understand the problem very quickly imo.
E) Women should be able to use our own terms, not be forced to use a term dictated to us by males, allowing women to use our own terms gives a little of the power of naming back to women. We can easily explain why we use our terms if needed.
F) Females don’t pose the same risk to each other as males do to females, regardless of what they look like, most females who claim/believe they are men would likely prefer to use the men’s or third spaces anyway, but that has nothing to do with the issue of naming males as males/men, which is what this thread is about.
...there is an awful undercurrent of glee at being able to hurt those individuals who self refer as "Trans women" by ramming home the point that they are male.
They are male though, if it upsets some men to have this pointed out perhaps they would do better by focusing on accepting reality, so that they are not as easily upset by someone accurately acknowledging their sex. It is not women’s responsibility to walk on eggshells incase they upset a male’s feelings, it certainly should not be the priority on the feminist board, which should centre females not males imo.
It is totally unfair and out of line to make transwomen the only marginalised group unable to have their preferred terms respected...
Males, regardless of how they identify, are not marginalised or oppressed by females. On the contrary, males, regardless of how they think of themselves, are part of the group that oppress females, by allowing males to redefine themselves as a type of woman it gives the dominate class (men) the power of naming over the subjected class (women). This then allows a subset of men to claim to be somehow different to other men, and has led to them saying women are actually oppressing them, that they should be in our spaces, that they can be lesbians etc, etc. Which is why women should always have the power of naming our own reality.
...posters would still renounce the description of themselves as "c1s" yet it is ok to impose YOUR preferences on another group.
If you use ‘c*s’ people will tell you why they object to it, but posters here are not calling for it to be banned, and neither are we calling for ‘transwoman’ to be banned. So how is that imposing our preferences on anyone? It is TRA’s and their supporters imposing their preferences on us, by saying we can use their word ‘transwomen’, but we can’t use our own words.
The rest of the post was just appealing to women to be nice or else we will loose support. Women shutting up and doing what controlling TRA’s say gets us nowhere as we have seen.