Use of trans identified male as opposed to transwoman No2.

[happydappy2]

MNHQ There has been much written recently about how the controlling of the words we use, is very misleading. Many women reject the word transwoman as it can be misunderstood. In light of this, would you reconsider yr guidelines that Trans Identified Male can not be used? It would seem a more factually accurate description of a human male who presents in a stereotypically female way. Thank you.

No BernardBlacksWineIcelolly. You are wrong. Read the title of the thread. It doesn't say let's use this as well as this, it says use this instead of this. So yes, the OP is seeking to police language.

You've wilfully misinterpreted that-I am asking for trans identified male to be allowed to be used. I have not suggested banning the word transwoman.

For the record, I am not trying to police language-I am asking for it to stop being policed.

There's a lot of misrepresentation of 'gaslightling' DARVO & other patterns of control/absue

You're right there at least.

I'm just a bit baffled as to why you just ream off links to this is what abusers do when someone disagrees with something you say.
You're still doing it, you already posted links saying all that upthread

am asking for trans identified male to be allowed to be used. I have not suggested banning the word transwoman

That’s certainly how ive been reading it

thanks R0wantrees. In the light of repeated assertions of things which have been painstakingly explained to be not true, I found your links interesting and helpful

You've wilfully misinterpreted that-I am asking for trans identified male to be allowed to be used. I have not suggested banning the word transwoman

Thanks for those references R0. Fascinating and informative stuff.

rufus where have I ever said that the word transwomen should be banned?

I think many of us find the work misleading-thats all.

word-not work

Fascinating and informative stuff

It would be if it was in context and not just posted every time someone said something they didn't like.

I think thats just the way the OP is worded. Fairly sure they do not wish for 'transwoman' to be banned, but for other options to be available. Same as the last board about this.

But as we keep being told language is important

The thread title is very clear and unambiguous. I think it's disingenuous of posters to now say "oh no, pretty sure it means something entirely different to what it actually says".

The thread title calls for one term to be used instead of another. Don't accuse others of trying to police language whilst doing it yourselves.

I really do hope MNHQ lifts this rules, or at least eases it - and if the blue fringe brigade don't like it, well that's tough really. Women's freedom of speech needs to be protected.

Thanks Hamster.

I think rufus is agreeing with you happy - she's saying she read it how you meant it.

I think someone would have to try really hard to read it any other way, especially after 60 pages of discussion.

No BernardBlacksWineIcelolly. You are wrong. Read the title of the thread. It doesn't say let's use this as well as this, it says use this instead of this. So yes, the OP is seeking to police language.

Listen, I haven't got time to keep looking for certificates so you're just going to have to trust me on this one, but I really am a bonafide expert in spotting wilful misquotes and that is one right there^^

The thread title calls for one term to be used instead of another. Don't accuse others of trying to police language whilst doing it yourselves

This

These big posts on ‘how to spot a gaslighter’ And so only really do read as if you’re desperate to be the biggest victim while simultaneously reveal obvious attempts at silencing others.

Use of trans identified male as opposed to transwoman No2.490

How happydappy2 am I misinterpreting your thread? The thread title is discussing using trans identified male as opposed to transwoman. As opposed to means rather than or instead of. It doesn't mean in addition to does it?

decomposing I never say as opposed to-re read the OP. I will not engage with you again.

The thread title calls for one term to be used instead of another

Nope. It says that transwoman...can be misunderstood and so would MNHQ reconsider guidelines that Trans Identified Male can not be used.

It wasn't an either/or request, it was clearly a request for the additional option of being able to use Trans Identified Male.

Seriously Duhh

How do you convince someone that something they know to be true isn’t? In psychology, what is known as the “illusory truth effect” is a phenomenon in which a listener comes to believe something primarily because it has been repeated so often.

From one of R0wantrees interesting links

decomposing I never say as opposed to-re read the OP.

Um.... the thread title says literally that

Use of trans identified male as opposed to transwoman
You, the OP and this is the thread title you put

I never say as opposed to-re read the OP

What’s that rule on gaslighting R0wan? Makes you think they haven’t said something they have even though you have proof?

Read your title.

These big posts on ‘how to spot a gaslighter’ And so only really do read as if you’re desperate to be the biggest victim while simultaneously reveal obvious attempts at silencing others.

I never say as opposed to-re read the OP. I will not engage with you again.

happydappy2. Read your thread title. Who wrote it if it wasn't you? It clearly says

Use of trans identified male as opposed to transwoman No2.490

Do you see as opposed to in the title? The title that presumably you wrote?

Engage with me or not, I don't care. Everyone on this thread can read the title of your thread and can now see you telling me that you didn't say it.

What's that called, when someone tries to convince you that something didn't happen despite seeing the evidence that it did?