Use of trans identified male as opposed to transwoman No2.

[happydappy2]

MNHQ There has been much written recently about how the controlling of the words we use, is very misleading. Many women reject the word transwoman as it can be misunderstood. In light of this, would you reconsider yr guidelines that Trans Identified Male can not be used? It would seem a more factually accurate description of a human male who presents in a stereotypically female way. Thank you.

Fruit ones happy?

Could you courier some to me...i feel the need for sugar

I dont want jam and cream and I already have butter so thats fine

Please and thank you

I fucking highlighted the fucking post i was referring to!

I couldnt have made it any fucking easier

OK, so why "where" then if you could see it

I'm more of a jam first then cream on top.
Otherwise the cream gets squished

There are definitely some people whose strategy is to use up women's energies onlineAlso some people who wish to disrupt women discussing key aspects on the FWR board & MN site. Some identify as 'monitors'

Yes, this is very clear.

I've reported my concerns to the moderating team, but in the mean-time it really is best to ignore and skip those posts. They just drain energy and contribute nothing that is going to move the conversation forward.

Ive no idea what you are saying now lime

Have you read my original post where I highlighted the post saying they had received 83 pms?

As thats the post I highlighted

Recognising control patterns is an important part of protecting women against abusive violent men.

Of course some control patterns eg narcissitic control & manipulation can be demonstrated by members of both sexes.

Richard Grannon:

'Grey Rock Technique For Handling Narcissists (Quick Explanation)'

You have all erred from the Only True Scone Way and I will have to disown you.
Your scones may identify as West Country scones but clotted cream goes on first. As any fule kno.

There is nothing new or interesting to hear or reads in any of their posts

In other words, don't want to hear differing views. Ok, fair enough but that's why you're left with just everyone agreeing with each other usually and no-one else saying anything or just a lone voice disagreeing on other threads.

For Rufus (to share!)

I'm so sorry if that image offended you drspouse

Yes I also put the jam on first.

Jam had to go under the cream. Otherwise it looks a mess.

Thank you bare

I really really think I deserve them

I really really think I deserve them

Rufus you do & a since too early for

Thanks R0

Already on it

“Narcissists are like Teflon; nothing sticks. They don’t take responsibility. For anything. They are master deflectors and try to avoid the blame when cheating, stealing and everything in between. They make up complex excuses and can rationalize anything. When they are finally called out, they are quick to claim they are being persecuted, though they may be apologetic for a minute. When someone never takes responsibility for anything – words, actions, feelings – it is a challenging, if not impossible way to maintain a relationship.” Dr. Durvasula, Should I Stay or Should I Go? Surviving a Relationship With a Narcissist

thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-arabi/2017/11/50-shades-of-gaslighting-the-disturbing-signs-an-abuser-is-twisting-your-reality/

"Healing from Gaslighting
(extracts)
Healing from gaslighting can take time and support. It requires distance and space from the abuser in order to reconnect to your reality and get grounded in what you actually felt and experienced. Here are some tips on how to get started:

Make ‘redirecting’ anchoring statements when you find yourself romanticizing your abuser or dismissing an abusive incident. The good news is, repetition can go the other way: we can repeat the truth until we finally believe in it, and ourselves again. Creating “anchoring statements” that help redirect you to the reality of the abuse are especially helpful when you find yourself doubting what you experienced and minimizing what you felt.

Seek self-validation and let go of your need to gain validation from the abuser. Abusive people are far too invested in their own agendas to ever validate your reality or confirm incidents of abuse. That is why it is important to establish No Contact or Low Contact

Consult trusted outsiders to do some much needed ‘reality testing.’ In the movie Gaslight, it is only when an inspector confirms that the gas lights are indeed flickering to the gaslighted wife, Paula, that she realizes that she was right all along. Find a mental health professional who is trauma-informed, knowledgeable about malignant narcissism and understands the dynamics of covert violence. Describe what you felt, heard and witnessed exactly how you experienced it rather than telling the story through your abuser’s narrative. Regaining your voice in a setting where you can be validated and listened to is essential to the healing journey. Some survivors may also benefit from telling their stories to other survivors, who know what it is like to be gaslighted and can resonate with their experiences.

Write your story and bring it into the context of longer-term behavioral patterns
This narrates the experience without ‘giving in’ to the gaslighting attempts of the abuser. It reframes the experience to recall the victim’s feelings during the interactions and to address what rights were violated. It also includes mention of a pattern of behavior – ‘Tom,’ as the victim notes, has a habit of disrespecting her wishes even though she has addressed the fact that name-calling makes her uncomfortable. The victim of gaslighting is then able to draw a conclusion based on a pattern of behavior that she sees reoccurring, rather than dismissing it as an isolated incident. This helps her to relieve some of the self-blame and cognitive dissonance as she reaffirms her reality and begins to trust herself again." (continues)
thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-arabi/2017/11/50-shades-of-gaslighting-the-disturbing-signs-an-abuser-is-twisting-your-reality/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

freedomprogramme.co.uk/rules-of-the-game.php

I've reported my concerns to the moderating team, but in the mean-time it really is best to ignore and skip those posts

Are you insinuating we are ‘monitors’ LOL Yep, we’re here to report back everything you say and do, not like anyone could just go online and find it themselves. Hahaha

Your scones may identify as West Country scones but clotted cream goes on first. As any fule kno.

To be fair, clotted cream is stiffer than your average cream (especially that crusty bit on the top ) so will withstand the impact of jam on top (provided you haven't made it too stiff*)

(*DH has made some marmalade that you need to beat with a hammer to get it flat enough to go on the toast. Not sure how that happened but it would not go on top of any cream)

They make up complex excuses and can rationalize anything

That does seem a very narcissistic thing to do, you’re right.

Are you insinuating we are ‘monitors’ LOL

Seems like it, having a different viewpoint means you're a member of the Word Police now or something
Even though I've literally said the opposite as in you do you but anyway!
It seems to have gone all scones and grey rock anyway now whenever someone says something else

It’s a prime example of gaslighting lime making us question ourselves and our sanity, making other people question your intentions. Then the twisting it around to make you look like the one committing it.

It’s clear in black and white for all too see.

Marmalade on scones? Oo, now that's a new twist. Might work in an uncoventional way but I prefer jam.
Then again if marmalade's good enough for Paddington it's good enough for me.