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Data breaches by Mermaids exposed in the Times

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 15/06/2019 18:46

Mermaids has apparently put lots of confidential data online including private emails, personal data and emails demonstrating the pressure they have put on the Tavistock.
Andrew Gilligan article - share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/parents-anger-as-child-sex-change-charity-puts-private-emails-online-tl0g5hwcg?shareToken=2f8ddc23419c61360023562a62e74d13

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/06/2019 20:47

They also have to inform all those data subjects affected by the breach, so it's odd if they are saying there are none.

This is why I don't trust them. That was a blatant lie.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/06/2019 20:48

I'm also a bit cynical about who their independent third party will be.

CantspellWontspell · 15/06/2019 20:52

I'm also a bit cynical about who their independent third party will be.

You and me both.

MrsDumpty · 15/06/2019 20:54

FYI One of the emails is from SCIS in Scotland asking to partner up with mermaids.

happydappy2 · 15/06/2019 20:54

Surely Mermaids have proved they need to be closed down, they are talking nonsense & a clear danger to children. Enough is enough. We protect the weakest in society, ie children, not set them on a medical pathway that will leave them infrertile. My heart breaks for those families that have come into contact with Susie Green.

Yeahnahyeah · 15/06/2019 20:54

I'm so cynical that I don't think this will get much traction.
How depressing is that. Sad

OrchidInTheSun · 15/06/2019 20:55

Someone asks on the groups.io helppage:
"In my new group here, I see that archives are "visible to anyone." I would like archives to be visible to subscribers only, as I see is the case in at least one other group I belong to. But I can't find the variable in "settings" for this. Where would I find this?"

And is helpfully answered:

"On the Settings page there's an item named "Privacy". This controls both whether the group is listed in the groups.io directory and whether access to the message archives are public or private (members only)."

Isn't making sure that personal and confidential data is secure just data protection 101?

MrsDumpty · 15/06/2019 20:56

I tell you what, just from what's left in the cache the breadth of institutions they are pally with is shocking - Lloyds Bank (who raised funds for them and offered to pay for Susie to come to London and have a chat), Warner Bros Film Studios, schools, psychologists, children's services - all reaching out to ask for Mermaids input. What the hell is going on.

hoteltango · 15/06/2019 20:56

I wonder who the EHRC person/s is/are. There'll be names on the emails.

GrumpyCatLives · 15/06/2019 20:57

I don't understand. Are the emails still online or not?

MrsDumpty · 15/06/2019 20:59

Cached links are - i.e. a snapshot of the site on a certain day.

AnthonyCrowley · 15/06/2019 21:01

A Tavistock clinician said: “Mermaids push simplistic views, emotional blackmail and conscious misinformation at parents. They do so much harm.”

Quite. Why aren't people taking notice?

hoteltango · 15/06/2019 21:04

The statement is up now:

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/historic-data-breach-immediate-actions,-next-steps-and-an-apology.html

But, hang on a mo':

No emails to and from families, or other such confidential communications, were part of the information in question.

Doesn't add up with this:

... those service users contacted by the journalist in pursuit of their story.

Nor the quotes from the mothers in Andrew's article.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 15/06/2019 21:05

There are some excellent comments under that article. Sadly they never seem to be transferred to the next day's paper - and I assume that this will be in the Sunday Times tomorrow.

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ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 15/06/2019 21:07

God so many lies, so little safe guarding, so much stupidity, so little care for children. But also so familiar - remember the Webberley report which said she had a complete lack of integrity, thought herself above the law, and had zero insight? That's how all these groups are, because that's how they've been allowed to be. It needs shutting down, all of it, now.

The EHRC seeking a test case is the most sinister surprise to me.

Not to me. Remember how reluctant they were to change "gender" to "sex" on their website when listing protected characteristics? And one of their chairs is a former chair from stonewall. They've been infiltrated for a long time.

Who is there left to bring these people to account?

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 15/06/2019 21:08

Why aren't people taking notice?

People are, very slowly but they are.

As this is coming from the very top it won't have the coverage it needs.

Think of it this way, how many media outlets were brave enough to print anything about Jimmy Savile while he was alive... none, total media silence, only word of mouth.

This is all part of the SAME thing, it's the SAME pedophile ring, it's been there since the 70's, it's the same silence, the same control, it's still going on, Savile was ONE member of a massive paedophile ring that extended into government.

We can inform, but don't expect anywhere with power to be on side.

MythicalBiologicalFennel · 15/06/2019 21:09

Thank you for sharing OP. The Times going for the jugular here. And I am another one who is shocked and disappointed at the actions of the EHRC Sad

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/06/2019 21:11

Why are they lying about something so easily disproven?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/06/2019 21:14

At the time of 2016-2017, Mermaids was a smaller organisation

Are they really saying that this breach has existed since 2016-2017?

MockerstheFeManist · 15/06/2019 21:14

"Responsible drinking policy..."

Well whoopie-doooh

Mumfun · 15/06/2019 21:16

Mermaids first of all in their statement say We are grateful to the Sunday Times for bringing it to our attention.

Then at the end of the statement say: Regardless of circumstances, context or misrepresentation in this latest hostile and transphobic article, we are deeply sorry Biscuit

They also state Mermaids understand that the information could not be found unless the person searching for the information was already aware that the information could be found. Eh no the Sunday Times found it by general searches and it can still be found cached.

There is so much minimisation and lies in that statement. Hope it brings them their just reward

FloralBunting · 15/06/2019 21:16

Why are they lying about something so easily disproven?

Because it's a tried and tested tactic that seems to have served them well so far. No reason to change tack now (and honestly, nothing else they can do but brazen it out, or the whole thing topples, and we've discussed at length why there are some powerful psychological reasons for those involved to maintain the facade.)

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 15/06/2019 21:17

Why are they lying about something so easily disproven?

I'm convinced personally that Suzie Green has been gone for a while. In Posie's 'adult human female' talk she says that she thinks SG is basically driven now out of a desire to never sit down and have an honest conversation with herself about what she did to her child. That strikes quite close to the truth of it imo. She's driving on empty now, trying to stay convinced that she did what needed to be done. If she admits that another way is possible, the whole thing collapses. So she just lies and lies and escalates and keeps going with eyes and ears closed. But I don't think she's in there any more, not really.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 15/06/2019 21:18

The EHRC have government ministers in their control. I have written to the Secretary of State for Education about safeguarding breaches and removing sex based rights of girls. I keep getting creepy letters back talking about how wonderful mixed sex toilets are. Now I know it's not Damian Hinds writing this - it will be one of the creepy men in the civil service but the fact that they feel able to write to members of the public in this way shows how confident they are with promoting their predatory views. And they are doing this in every aspect of government - health, prisons, education, social care. That is why this gets no political coverage .

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MrsDumpty · 15/06/2019 21:18

I think there are big bucks involved now - or at least on the horizon - so there is a lot of impetus to keep this thing going.