Use of trans identified male as opposed to transwoman.

[happydappy2]

MNHQ There has been much written recently about how the controlling of the words we use, is very misleading. Many women reject the word transwoman as it can be misunderstood. In light of this, would you reconsider yr guidelines that Trans Identified Male can not be used? It would seem a more factually accurate description of a human male who presents in a stereotypically female way. Thank you.

Still not sure who it's harming calling them trans women as to the original question of the thread title.
What trans women are called has no bearing on safeguarding concerns, calling them trans identified male would just be to make a point/deny them their right to be a woman.

Calling someone a transwoman does not deny they are biologically Male

Exactly

Have we deteriorated into a race for post 1000?!

This thread is beyond ludicrous now.

I'm still a yay, by the way. I call this shouting into the void of the topic.

This thread is beyond ludicrous now

You said it, we can at least agree there lol

Calling someone a trans woman, is simply that, calling them a trans woman.

What rights they are extended after that is a separate conversation.

Obviously it's pointless and a waste of energy trying to browbeat women to accept terminology that TRAs won't accept in any case.

Yay to everyone using the language they find most useful and accurate.

Just the normal talk guidelines should apply.

Obviously it's pointless and a waste of energy trying to browbeat women to accept terminology that TRAs won't accept in any case

Nobody on here's trying to browbeat women to accept anything.
Just have a differing opinion.

Calling someone a trans woman, is simply that, calling them a trans woman

You are being disingenuous. The word woman suggests that they are a subset of women when they are a subset of men. Men are never any type of woman.

And a yay here too.

Happy for all currently banned terms to be reinstated (including cis and terf)

Yay from me here as well!

Since ‘transwoman’ Isn’t a sex, I’m gonna go with male

For e.g. why is that male on an all women short list?

Why is girl guides proposing that adolescent males should share sleeping accommodation with girls without their parents knowledge?

That sort of thing

Oh well. At least nobody's suggested banning Weetabix as a term.

Lang when you said we were reaching 1000 posts I was going to ask you if the recipes and food discussions were going to come out soon then so I did laugh at your Weetabix comment.

So if trans woman is a subset of woman (in your eyes) is woman a subset of man?

Well the thread is as much use as a chocolate teapot now. Might as well get it over with.

But I've a date with the last episode of Killing Eve. So have at it: using whatever terms you want. As per my yay. Like I keep saying.

Lang when you said we were reaching 1000 posts I was going to ask you if the recipes and food discussions were going to come out soon then so I did laugh at your Weetabix comment

I had a little bet with myself for it would be either weetabix or recipe sharing next to make sure it got filled up quick as there's too many opposing views on this one
These threads never disappoint!

Why is girl guides proposing that adolescent males should share sleeping accommodation with girls without their parents knowledge?

What's that got to do with calling trans women trans women though?
Calling them that has no bearing on the safeguarding concerns.

Well the thread is as much use as a chocolate teapot now. Might as well get it over with

Is that because people are disagreeing with you or asking questions you don't like? So weetabix comes into it to fill the thread up by your own admission.
Then it's us trying to fill the thread up
Alrighty then.

I have a question, if other media outlets can say trans identified Male, then why shouldn’t We be able to say that here on Mumsnet?
Any answers apart from your being mean?

LimeKiwi

I like the way they keep saying "lift the ban and reinstate all banned words - with the usual caveats about goady posts" to then start posting pictures of grey rocks, or Weetabix or recipes - because they clearly aren't goady!!!!

I'm a yay.

And I'm also no longer comfortable with using the term transwoman.

I've been thinking about it a lot this weekend, because I'm aware that there's a fair amount of 'fuck it, we gave you the inch, you tried to snatch the mile so I'm taking the inch back' behind it and I don't want to make such decisions based on personal feelings.

But the anger runs alongside the fact that giving that inch of descriptor leads to miles of mixed sex refuges and Cece Telfer and ignoring safeguarding and all the rest of it. I no longer believe we can afford to extend the courtesy; it's time to circle the wagons and make a stand.

I accept and respect those on the thread that feel differently, but I'm not going to be complicit in giving away other women's rights.

I have a question, if other media outlets can say trans identified Male, then why shouldn’t We be able to say that here on Mumsnet

They aren't identifying as male though, they identify as women so to me trans identified male is just saying they're still male to make a point.