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Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2

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R0wantrees · 13/06/2019 13:05

link to previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3605120-Munroe-Childline-s-first-LGBT-campaigner

NSPCC statement by CEO Peter Wanless
www.nspcc.org.uk/what-we-do/news-opinion/munroe-bergdorf

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3609218-Hi-from-Safe-Schools-Alliance-UK

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JackyHolyoake · 14/06/2019 15:36

NSPCC has responded to Sarah Phillimore ... Charity Commission is next stop en route.

twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1139539539096215555

DuMondeB · 14/06/2019 15:41

Well, thank fuck for Sarah Phillimore.

FlapsMagazine · 14/06/2019 15:44

That's a terrible response, they should make it clear whether or not the situation is being investigated. It's not a personal matter when you're publicly funded, we all have a stake in this.

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2019 15:46

This is internetmatters.org
www.internetmatters.org/

They are solely dedicated to safeguarding on the internet by the look of it.

This is their page on radicalisation:
www.internetmatters.org/issues/radicalisation/
Young people may be vulnerable to a range of risks as they pass through adolescence. They may be exposed to new influences and potentially risky behaviours, influence from peers, influence from older people or the internet as they may begin to explore ideas and issues around their identity.

There is no single driver of radicalisation, nor is there a single journey to becoming radicalised. The internet creates more opportunities to become radicalised, since it’s a worldwide 24/7 medium that allows you to find and meet people who share and will reinforce your opinions. Research tells us that the internet and face-to-face communications work in tandem, with online activity allowing a continuous dialogue to take place.

Why could social networking be a concern?
Your child may actively search for content that is considered radical, or they could be persuaded to do so by others. Social media sites, like Facebook, Ask FM and Twitter, can be used by extremists looking to identify, target and contact young people. It’s easy to pretend to be someone else on the internet, so children can sometimes end up having conversations with people whose real identities they may not know, and who may encourage them to embrace extreme views and beliefs.

Often children will be asked to continue discussions, not via the mainstream social media, but via platforms, such as Kik Messenger, Whisper, Yik Yak or Omegle. Moving the conversation to less mainstream platforms can give users a greater degree of anonymity and can be less easy to monitor.

People who encourage young people to do this are not always strangers. In many situations they may already have met them, through their family or social activities, and then use the internet to build rapport with them. Sometimes children don’t realise that their beliefs have been shaped by others, and think that the person is their friend, mentor, boyfriend or girlfriend and has their best interests at heart.

What are the signs I should look out for
There are a number of signs to be aware of (although a lot of them are quite common among teens). Generally parents should look out for increased instances of:

A conviction that their religion, culture or beliefs are under threat and treated unjustly
A tendency to look for conspiracy theories and distrust of mainstream media
The need for identity and belonging
Being secretive about who they’ve been talking to online and what sites they visit
Switching screens when you come near the phone, tablet or computer
Possessing items – electronic devices or phones – you haven’t given them
Becoming emotionally volatile.

Compare with whats just happened at the NSPCC and the reaction internally its provoked.

There seems to be this fallacy that extremist is only something that happens on the right or through religion. It can be things like street gangs or specific interest groups. Or any group which is resistant to any form or criticism and reacts to it in an aggressive way without encouraging engagement and critical thought. The concept of what radicalisation is needs to be thought a lot more about in the context of social media and echo chambers.

The NSPCC seem to me, like they have completely missed the scale of the problem the internet presents in safeguarding. Is it one of those issues that comes from being too big and too slow to adapt to the pressures of a changing world?

JackyHolyoake · 14/06/2019 15:46

If you click on the tweet that is from the NSPCC additional comment can be viewed.

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2019 15:48

It is NOT a private matter.

It might be centred on one individual but the failures that led to that individual ending up in that position are a matter of public interest.

That comment is arse covering bullshit of the elephant variety.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 14/06/2019 15:54

It’s a personnel issue and we won’t comment further.

WTF? Sorry but you’re the NSPCC. You simply MUST.

Popchyk · 14/06/2019 16:00

Pink New are reporting that the NSPCC is commenting further. To Pink News.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/06/12/nspcc-employee-hired-munroe-bergdorf-homophobic-abuse/

“We have been made aware of the images. The NSPCC has guidance for staff on social media and, if there was a problem, we would take action,” an NSPCC spokesperson told PinkNews.

The spokesperson for organisation also said that the employee had been spoken to and received support from colleagues “right up to the chief executive.”

Pink News, though, so probably lies.

NeurotrashWarrior · 14/06/2019 16:02

received support - eh?

DuMondeB · 14/06/2019 16:03

I’ve got Ice Ice Baby stuck in my head now:

‘If there was a problem
Yo, I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it’

JessicaWakefieldSV · 14/06/2019 16:04

Received support.

I’d like to know who to complain to about the NSPCC. Their response is utterly unacceptable. Talking to Penis News!? Why? This man’s sexuality is irrelevant.

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2019 16:05

Once again. Brand image first.

Not safeguarding issues and accountability first.

summerofresistance · 14/06/2019 16:05

Here's a transcript of the video deleted from Youtube about JM's fetish. bit.ly/2F8B6tl

It was stumbled across by someone searching "Munroe Bergdorf NSPCC", seeing JM's LinkedIn in the search results, which in turn lead directly to his blog and instagram about his fetish, then googling his name lead to this...

And info from this video easily led to his wanking video, while that was still on the web.

This is not what safeguarding looks like, not from JM, nor from the NSPCC.

The person who stumbled across this was looking for info on Munroe's role at NSPCC, not dirt on NSPCC staff. JM's fetish content was so easily found it wouldn't be at all hard to imagine a child or teen coming across it, particularly had the NSPCC run with the Munroe campaign as originally intended.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 14/06/2019 16:06

he deserves a private life which is separate from his work life.”

So why did he link them then?!?! Ffs, this man linked his private and professional life himself.

None of the complaints are about his sexuality. How the fuck do these morons get away with blatantly making shit up?

youkiddingme · 14/06/2019 16:12

I note that the NSPCC is not just any old charity but one with a royal charter attached to it, which gives it even more need to publicly be seen to behave in the right manner.

It's a shame the Privy council nor even the sovereign seem to have the power to revoke Royal Charters.

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2019 16:13

Jessica you forget how his 'home made porn' mentions 'work' a lot and is a central feature of his private life!

They thing we are all stupid. And are treating us like we are stupid.

HumberElla · 14/06/2019 16:18

support from colleagues “right up to the chief executive

Really? So this grubby individual is now receiving support? I’d be very interested to know exactly how the CEO of the NSPCC is supporting this person other than having their desk cleared. And possible wiped down with some bleach.

Imnobody4 · 14/06/2019 16:18

Re twitter.com/kyrstypops?lang=en
"Celebrity & Talent Management, Former PR Manager. Fashion aficionado. And yes, it's Kyrsty with a 'y"
How is this c.v appropriate experience for a children's charity. What were the other applicants like? It's right from the start.

Rumble in the Jumble volunteer

Oxfam

May 2016

Civil Rights and Social Action

I volunteered for the Rumble in the Jumble's first ever sex stall with award winning sex educator and journalist, Alix Fox. We helped raise £14k.

ProjectsNational Orgasm Day 2013July 2013 – August 2013

July 31st 2013 marked National Orgasm Day. I was asked to head up the PR activity for this through stat-driven and interesting press releases, product placement and an infographic.

Sex Toy Stories TV documentary '(The O Team')June 2013 – June 2013

In June 2013, a TV documentary produced by Optomen for C4 was aired. The show followed 8 real women who were selected by Jacqueline Gold to design and develop a range of innovative sex toys by women - for women. I headed up the PR activity before and after the show aired by creating personal bios of each of the women, sharing their stories with the national and regional press. Collating and generating sex toy product placement features within publications who usually shy away from sex toy editorial.
Since the show aired, the women's stories have been published in a range of national newspapers (both online and in print ), regional publications, consumer magazines (both online and in print), weekly titles, trade publications, blogs and in Cosmopolitan magazine.

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2019 16:26

Sarah Phillimore has a reply.

She's not impressed. Neither am I. Don't know why they even bothered

Sarah Phillimore @SVPhillimore
Response. After deadline and says nothing. Complaint to Charities Commission made. Will seek update on July 15th 2019. #NSPCC

Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2
nonsenceagain · 14/06/2019 16:28

Just catching up and incredibly grateful for the brilliant posts here. Still absolutely shocked/appalled/furious about this. And also grateful to JK for the pitch perfect blogpost. I expect a Sunday paper piece on this. Remember that The Times is currently in a legal dispute ...

NeurotrashWarrior · 14/06/2019 16:51

"James – I discovered World Rubber Men at the time and lied about my age. Sorry, Recon. At the time, I didn’t think I looked 15, I thought I looked 18. I look back now at those pictures and think that I look like a child and I shouldn’t have been on there. It was a baptism of fire. Learning things that a 15 year old doesn’t necessarily need to know about.
Doug – Such as?
James – The harder side to the fetish scene. Extreme bondage, fisting. When you’re 15 and you’ve not even had sex yet, you’re thinking “What the fuck is this? Is this normal? Is this what I’m getting into?” It’s quite an intense thing to discover all in one go. At the same time, I found this tribe of people that are into similar sorts of things and have that similar mindset towards things that are maybe not the norm. When you’re 15 and you’re still working out your sex and your sexuality, it’s incredibly liberating."

JFC.

This is why this person is NOT appropriate for this charity!

Outofinspiration · 14/06/2019 16:54

That Pink News article though.....

A colleague of the man in question told PinkNews: “He is getting a torrent of abuse from some class A trolls. The mindset of these people is unbelievable. They’re cowards. It’s a disgrace, and he deserves a private life which is separate from his work life.”

Wha...?

summerofresistance · 14/06/2019 16:58

This is one of the bits of the transcript of the video that stands out for me. JM says:

So some women liked me serving them, some women hated it. I quite liked it when the women didn’t like it. They should open their horizons

He likes pushing sexual boundaries. And feels entitled to act as he likes, and if people feel uncomfortable, that's a good thing.

That's queer theory in action, right? If people are taught that breaking down social norms is a good thing via queer theory and postmodernism (ideas which underpin trans activism and which have been taught at uni for some years now), then this makes logical sense, doesn't it? A person's barriers are not for respecting but for breaking. But back in the real world that's very worrying indeed.

(Transcript: www.bit.ly/2F8B6tl )

summerofresistance · 14/06/2019 16:59

he deserves a private life which is separate from his work life.

Uh, yeah, that's the whole point. This guy went to considerable effort to NOT keep his private life private. He publicly involved his employer - a children's charity - in his fetish porn FFS.

FermatsTheorem · 14/06/2019 17:00

For the umpteenth time, intellectually challenged colleague of rubber man, if you want to keep your work life and your sex life separate, don't wank in the toilets at work, film yourself, post it online and then link to it from your linkedin page.

It's not rocket science.