Julie Bindel physically attacked after meeting

[MsMcWibble]

Seems to have been carried out by well known TRA who has threatened violence before: twitter.com/bindelj/status/1136402563379716096

It's strange that no one seems to know who this person is.

Has anyone seen them in the same room as Ross Noble?

Mentally ill or not they know exactly what they are doing. Do not doubt them for ir a second.

*This person is obviously mentally unwell, from their twitter they are off work with depression, obviously have huge issues with their identity regardless of how you see that. I can't see that reading a ream of hatred on this thread is going to help their mental health. More likely it will push them further into feeling justified and angry and then more likely to escalate their behaviour into either hurting themselves or someone else.

We need to concentrate on talking to the organisations and media that fan the flames of the most polarised ends this debate, where it gets toxic and results in incidents of this kind. So please MumsnetHQ, please can you moderate this thread to stop the endless personal insults against this obviously ill individual. Because it is not the kind thing ti do, but it is also not the clever thing to do. It is only going to inflame the fight.*

That person of whom you speak has the choice to avoid social media if it is too distressing for that person. It is not for us to silence ourselves just to protect that one other person. Self protection is that person's responsibility.

That person of whom you speak needs to take responsibility for that person's own health; it is not our responsibility.

That person of whom you speak perhaps needs to consider taking ownership of that person's behaviour; it is not ours to own.

Violent people often can't access help until there's a record of how their violence leads them to be antisocial or violent. So criminal proceedings might actually be a catalyst for positive change.

I think it would be a rubbish feminist section if we could not talk about instances of violence against women.
If anyone sees a thread about that violence I would hope the thread would not stop them from seeking help but some personality types just aren't driven to self improvement without outside pressures.

Diane Abbott saying something is interesting. It suggests Diane is a) paying attention b) fully respects Julie without question c) does not think Julie is transphobic

I'd want more evidence.....I think it may just be that she is particularly sensitive, for understandable reasons, of high profile women being attacked in public. Mind you - the more that people are exposed to this sort of madness, they more they will wake up.

they are off work with depression,

Yet, they were well enough to tout for an ‘opinion piece’ this morning, and they write for a living?

That’s a text book example of victim blaming.

No, it's not. No one is blaming Julie, and I hope she presses charges and he is dealt with by the proper authorities. If the system is working as it should, this should include a psychiatric assessment and if he is deemed to be a danger to himself or others then he should be sectioned. I know, however, that the system is broken.

The trans ideology is an evil ideology that is claiming victims on both sides. This includes deluded and unstable people who have a poorly fixed sense of identity and women and girls who are put at risk from these unstable individuals and the out and out predators.

The real villains in this piece are the universities, the police authorities, the churches, the political parties and so on that are facilitating the delusions of the weak and the ambitions of the evil.

And, we’re here, talking amongst ourselves on Mumsnet, not tweeting at them directly or sending PMs.

Clitherow - I can't find it now but Labour Lbgt did put out a victim blaming tweet after it happened that implied that JB bought the attack upon herself by her previous writing/ remarks.

I think JB directly replied to it saying that one of the remarks came from something she wrote once 15 years ago

If members of the press would like to hear my side....

They've heard it. It has been reported in at least one newspaper, the Scotsman, so far.

You said: I lost my shot - a chilling but apt typo
You meant to say: I lost my shit

What's left to say?

I can't see that reading a ream of hatred on this thread is going to help their mental health

You are joking, aren't you? This must be a spoof.

Justhadathought - no, I don't think it's a spoof. I think this is really how TRAs think - that we women are so very nasty, that we deserve to be "fucked up" in the esteemed words of TownTattle.

Women talking about their rights is literal violence that must be met with physical violence.

So please MumsnetHQ, please can you moderate this thread to stop the endless personal insults against this obviously ill individual. Because it is not the kind thing ti do, but it is also not the clever thing to do. It is only going to inflame the fight

Honest to god! Can't believe what I'm reading.

Yes the person is clearly unwell - but at the same time is defended and lauded by 'kind' people such as yourself. You seriously believe that women here must continue to be "kind" in the face of this? Not discuss the issue? Not speak the truth? You are living in an alternative reality, of the type that would just stand back and let this outrage continue. We are not responsible for this person's mental health issues. The trans community is.

endless personal insults

Right because we must not call a violent male names after he has harassed a lesbian women’s rights campaigner. Unbelievable.

I’m gonna continue calling out violent harassers for what they are, no exceptions.

Scotsman article:
(extracts)
"A leading British feminist, who campaigns against violence towards women, has claimed that she was attacked in Edinburgh last night by a transgender person.
Julie Bindel, the keynote speaker at an Edinburgh University event which discussed the future of women's sex-based rights, said she was verbally abused, "lunged at" and almost "punched in the face", by a transwoman as she left the building.

She thanked university security staff for protecting her and said she was still considering whether to press charges.

Today Ms Bindel said: "I have been beaten up by men in the past but not for a long time, and I knew precisely what was coming when I saw the rage on his face, and I am just so sick of this.

"We had had a very positive meeting - I was speaking about male violence against women and never even mentioned transgender people - and when I came out this person was waiting.

"There had been a protest outside earlier, but that had gone so he was obviously waiting for me.

"He was shouting and ranting and raving, 'you're a f c, you're a f bitch, a f Terf" and the rest of it. We were trying to walk to the cab to take us to the airport, and then he just lunged at me and almost punched me in the face, but a security guard pulled him away.

"I got my phone out to film him to get evidence and he went for me again. It took three security guys at the stage to deal with him.

"I was with Professor Rosa Freedman and we got in the cab and left, but we were both very shaken by it. I haven't decided yet what action to take."

She added: "I think the lecturers and other staff who stoked the flames of this by calling women bigots and fascists and Nazis because we were holding an event to discuss women's rights, should take responsibility for this." (continues)

Brennan has previously tweeted in support of violence against women who believe that changing the Gender Recognition Act to allow people to self-identify as any gender, rather than needing a medical diagnosis, would endanger women's rights to safety, privacy and dignity by doing away with single-sex spaces. One tweet read: "Any trans allies at #PrideLondon right now need to step the f*kup and take out the terf trash. Get in their faces. Make them afraid. Debate never works so f*k them up"

In a recent article in The Skinny, Brennan defended the tweet, writing: "In 2018, transphobic group Get the L Out hijacked the front of the march at London Pride. Organisers and police (who were also part of the march) did nothing. I received much criticism for demanding violent action against these TERFs. By 'criticism' I mean that I was stalked for several months on Twitter by someone purportedly from Edinburgh. The goal of Get the L Out was to make trans people unwelcome at an event where they should have felt safe. In my opinion, their actions already constitute a form of violence with long-lasting implications." (continues)

www.scotsman.com/news/feminist-speaker-julie-bindel-attacked-by-transgender-person-at-edinburgh-university-after-talk-1-4942260?ff=

I can't find it now but Labour Lbgt did put out a victim blaming tweet after it happened that implied that JB bought the attack upon herself by her previous writing/ remarks.

I'm sure you are right and that wouldn't surprise me at all. But what I admire about Julie is that she channels her anger into saying exactly what she thinks. She is blunt yet I have never seen her be unkind. On the other hand she doesn't allow false ideas of kindness to stop her saying what she feels she has to say. Neither does she ever just say angry things without framing them in intelligent and cogent points. Isn't this why we all feel so outraged that she shoud, be attacked by forces that are brutal and stupid? Yet I think Julie knows (from what I have read of her comments) that this person is just the pathetic face of more insidious forces that she battles all the time.

That's all I wanted to say.

I think you are right. What they did was wrong, but it is hard to look at that picture and not see someone who is being sucked into something that is evil rather than being "evil" themselves

If evidence wasn't already available ( which it is) then this incident shows very clearly how the whole Trans movement is preying on the mentally ill and unstable, and those with 'issues' - in a cultish way.

Cults usually hoover up the weak and the vulnerable, or those at cross-roads in their life - who are looking for answers, or for healing. They tell them that transitioning is the answer. When it really isn't at all. Transitioning may appear to be a short-term fix - but it actually exacerbates the problems - because it is not founded in reality. It is based upon a fantasy.

None of that, however, means that anyone must stop discussing this incident.

Excellent article.

None of that, however, means that anyone must stop discussing this incident.

I also agree with this!

I can't see that reading a ream of hatred on this thread is going to help their mental health

JFC

This is a feminist forum, where women gather together to talk about issues that affect women and girls. One of those is male violence.

There's a time and a place for mad, sad or bad conversations but this is neither the fucking time nor the fucking place.

Here, we talk about the impact of male violence on women and girls. How dare anybody come on here and suggest we prioritise the feelings of a violent male in the wake of an attack on a respected feminist who has fought male violence all her life.

The justice system can adjudicate mad, sad or bad at the appropriate time, thanks. The actual conversation we should be having is the forlorn hope that the justice system will ever be capable of putting the interests of women above the endless conversations about the excuses made for violent males. Remember Karen White? I frankly, couldn't give a toss whether he's mad, bad or sad. I care about his victims. Same goes for this name-appropriating violent male.

Read the fucking room.

Damn LangCleg you nail it every time. Fuck you’re awesome.

@MsJemimaPuddleduck
Here it is.

Very well said, Lang. I wholeheartedly agree!

Langcleg - yes, yes, yes - everything you just said and thank you for saying it

Walking on eggshells so as not to upset unstable men?

Had enough of that in real life, don’t care to do it online, ta!