Julie Bindel physically attacked after meeting

[MsMcWibble]

Seems to have been carried out by well known TRA who has threatened violence before: twitter.com/bindelj/status/1136402563379716096

Pushed past security, did they? Didn't care about being arrested or shot by airport police? Somebody better tell woke bro that they are showing off their white privilege.....I'm feeling very brown and offended right now

for Julie B, one of the truly brave and stunning.

Ah, I thought you meant Peyton Rose. A different Edinburgh Lady who threatened to throat punch women. Hard to keep up.

www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/dundee-trans-pride-headliner-dropped-after-alleged-threat-to-throat-punch-womens-group/

If trans means across, then we’re all trans gender. None of us conform 100% with masculine or feminine stereotypes

Stand down everyone, the attack was invented.

There are not enough eyes to roll.

This analysis by Dr Ray Blanchard may have some relevance here:

"Young woman"

Ugh. They just make themselves look creepier than ever. 'Demonise a young woman'.

Not young. Not a woman. Just another violent male.

The hateful rhetoric has reached the point where it’s only a matter of time before there’s a Lee Rigby/Jo Cox level incident.

Just in case anyone reading this assumes that Julie Bindel isn’t a feminist hero, based on the tweet screenshot above:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/10/women-kill-partners-men-emma-humphreys-abused

The world doesn’t actually revolve around trans identified males!

My god, I'd completely forgotten about the Peyton Rose thing. There are so many now, it is indeed hard to keep up. Of course, so many threats against women (or "Terfs") are anonymous - so it was quite a surprise to see the police take this one seriously.

Joss Prior has been tweeting pics of beaten up transwomen (all from the US I think). It goes without saying that none of these beatings were carried out by feminists speaking about women's rights here in the UK. Nor any women, I should think.

It must have been really frightening to have a man (as Julie reports) aggressively pushing through the security there to protect you. Wonder what would have happened if there had been no security?

In 2019 women need security guards to protect them against violence when speaking about their rights at Edinburgh University.

I must say that I feel a bit uncomfortable reading all this conjecture about Towntattle.

This is playing into their hands as much as their actions play the other way.

This person is obviously mentally unwell, from their twitter they are off work with depression, obviously have huge issues with their identity regardless of how you see that. I can't see that reading a ream of hatred on this thread is going to help their mental health. More likely it will push them further into feeling justified and angry and then more likely to escalate their behaviour into either hurting themselves or someone else.

We need to concentrate on talking to the organisations and media that fan the flames of the most polarised ends this debate, where it gets toxic and results in incidents of this kind. So please MumsnetHQ, please can you moderate this thread to stop the endless personal insults against this obviously ill individual. Because it is not the kind thing ti do, but it is also not the clever thing to do. It is only going to inflame the fight.

Calm downeveryone. Save the rhetoric for the skinny and the lighthouse and Labour LGBT, not this vulnerable person that obviously needs a lot of professional help.

Anyone who claims a trans identity is trans - acceptance without exception and all that.

I'd forgotten about Ada Wells and the charming term cunt scum.

What Blanchard says in Jacky's post is on the money - they rage and rage because they know deep down that they can never be us and they also know that despite what so many others pretend to believe everyone else knows it too.

gingerginger2

How dare you come on here and tell women to calm down and prioritise the feelings of a violent hateful man. No. He attacked a woman, he repeatedly threatens women, and I will not centre his feelings in this debate. What a bloody nerve you’ve got.

gingerginger - it is not women's fault that TownTattle is unwell, and this emotional blackmail of women to shut up about their rights because it may upset people is becoming tiring.

More likely it will push them further into feeling justified and angry and then more likely to escalate their behaviour into either hurting themselves or someone else.

I think you are right. What they did was wrong, but it is hard to look at that picture and not see someone who is being sucked into something that is evil rather than being "evil" themselves.

'I'm safe'

It's like they are trying to culturally appropriate women's experience of sex based violence.....

That is exactly what he is doing here

As with the appropriation of a well known feminist's name it is extremely offensive to women

I have this problem with my 21 year old daughter. She at a college for music and drama, so very creative, emotional types and she is completely indoctrinated. We had a bit of a debate about it in the car one day but she gets very defensive and teary. What gets me is she's really sporty and has played football for over a decade, so I kept coming back to the effect trans ideology will have on women's sport. It won't be long now and there will be 3 fully intact biological males on the winners podium at women's events!

I was a dancer, so in that art world.

I'm also very liberal in general. But I had to get there on my own.

Just keep having polite discussions, because when it gets heated it further entrenches those opinions. My mum was anti trans, not very, but against children, and I thought she was awful for it, now her opinion is right.

Is your daughter a reader? One of the things that really changed my mind was the book Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez. It made me realise how fundamentally stupid it was to same that men are the same as women just because they've decided to me. It also made me realise that it was men again pushing this agenda and silencing us all, yet again.

It's strange that no one seems to know who this person is. All the other well-known TRAs (Jane Fae, Lily Madigan, Jess Bradley, Aimee Challenor, I could go on) have some kind of online presence that precedes their transition.

not the kind thing to do

Being kind is what got us into this mess.

If saying no, and holding people accountable is seen as being unkind well that says more about them than it does about us.

Gingerginger

Perhaps you can tell us why these people who clearly have significant issues dealing with reality (Julie talking about male pattern violence), should have any access to spaces reserved for women and children?

This incident seems to highlight exactly why they are warranted

Why should women be put at physical risk to validate a tiny minority of males?

I can't see that reading a ream of hatred on this thread is going to help their mental health.

Give it a rest. We can’t criticise someone who assaulted a woman because it might hurt their feelings? Fuck that.

More likely it will push them further into feeling justified and angry and then more likely to escalate their behaviour into either hurting themselves or someone else.

That’s a text book example of victim blaming.

And if you are that concerned for their mental health why aren’t you calling for them to be sanctioned?

That’s a text book example of victim blaming.

Yes it is. People did this to us about my violent abusive father. ‘He’s unwell’, ‘ you should help him not antagonise’.... it’s disgusting