Julie Bindel physically attacked after meeting

[MsMcWibble]

Seems to have been carried out by well known TRA who has threatened violence before: twitter.com/bindelj/status/1136402563379716096

Ereshkigel, as predictable as the sun rising this morning.

Gingerginger, you can drop the act. None of us are buying "I'm GC but..." anymore.

Vile story in today's Mail about a young lesbian couple being attacked on a bus in London on Wednesday night by four young men. [CW: includes pic of bloodied faces and clothes].

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7114415/Horrifying-picture-shows-lesbian-couple-covered-blood-gang-men-attacked-them.html

Wow talk about an epic derail!

For any casual observers not our pals in this safe space (wtf ?!?) please peruse the following for an update on the archaic insinuation that angry women are not allowed and language should be policed and managed in a coercively abusive fashion.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3603320-Pronouns-are-Rohypnol
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3600308-Tools-for-recognising-manipulative-abuse
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

How is Julie, I hope she is ok. Rosa must also be shaken up by this. The bravery required to keep placing themselves front and centre when male violence is a constant threat is admirable. I am in constant awe of the fortitude of women who are attacked by men for speaking out and refuse to be silenced, dusting themselves off and getting straight back to work. Inspiring, brave and clever women, I applaud you all

she "misidentifies as a man."

I don't think so. Fuck off Evening Standard and take your gaslighting with you.

Jacky, I can't really say what I'd like to about the men that attacked those women in that article. It might lead to tender new readers deciding that those men probably had a point because there's a website where women swear and express their disapproval of male violence in unglossy terms, without even considering the delicate mental state of the poor men on the bus that led them to think it was ok to beat women up.

(Yeah, that was contempt towards the ideas you read in that post, dear reader.)

At the moment I feel like the scales are falling from my eyes abit. I feel the same way about the tone of this thread as genuine trans woman must do about Towntattle’s behaviour. IE- jeez, stop proving them right

I’m a woman and a fucking terf at that

Have to say looking back at ginger's posts ( particularly these two) that I do feel justified in feeling a little suspicious. Obviously didn't want to wilfully alienate anyone who is an ally. But the persistence - out of the blue - did seem like a damage limitation exercise to me.

And yes, this person targets lesbians. Women ignoring men. Must be infuriating.

True. The Rohypnol effect. That 'young woman' ot that 'transwoman' muddies the waters that the attack was male violence against a woman. For some.

Yes. This was the point I made earlier in response to ginger. A man saying he is a woman immediately adds a teflon coating to the bleeding obvious that some people struggle to see past.

It's not entirely unsurprising because entire industries are built on the power of linguistic manipulation. Sometimes that can be a positive thing such as CBT or hypnotherapy to stop smoking but often it's used to deceive and obfuscate as part of political discourse, advertising etc... or to straight up con people in things like multi level marketing.

Women, for a variety of reasons, are disproportionately targeted and possibly more susceptible to these tactics.

Justhadathought, what do you mean? Are you now suspicious of ginger's motives, or are you suspicious of us? You've been trying to hover on the middle ground a bit which is why I ask.

a violent person, especially a criminal."he was attacked by a gang of thugs"synonyms: ruffian, hoodlum, bully boy, bully, bandit, mugger, gangster, terrorist, gunman, murderer, killer, hitman, assassin, hooligan, vandal, Yardie; More

Thug is not an insult...its a statement of fact

well then you are wrong .

this is the first time I've totally interacted on this forum rather than just read.

I won't be doing that again.

I've also had dozens of pms from people saying they feel the same as me.

I think this fight needs claiming by the "fledgling" feminists if it's going to be won.

Luckily there's plenty more of us listening and talking now. and the broad thrust of opinions and language on this thread do not represent us.

Goodbye

Luckily there's plenty more of us listening and talking now. and the broad thrust of opinions and language on this thread do not represent us.

What are you? The spokesperson for good little feminists? Dozens of PMs? What a lie. The popularity of this board shows that in fact, the sentiments here do represent a large group of women. In fact, we were thanked by an MP recently! The Mumsnet feminism board!

So glad the derailing is now over.

Thinking of you Julie

Justhadathought, what do you mean? Are you now suspicious of ginger's motives, or are you suspicious of us? You've been trying to hover on the middle ground a bit which is why I ask

I haven't been " hovering" anywhere...I've just been expressing myself in the style and manner I usually do.

I was initially suspicious, as were most, of ginger's posts - and so responded quite forthrightly; but then didn't want to unnecessarily alienate by assuming negative motive. Plus I did find agreement about tone, particularly swearing and name calling, as it is something that turns me off too. So, yes trying to walk a middle ground in that respect, in terms of response to ginger's posts.

However, now going back through their posts - the two I've highlighted above do suggest I was right to be suspicious in the first place. I don't think ginger will be back on this thread any time soon.
I think it may well have been an attempt to take away the heat - and re-position the responsibility for whatever comes next.

ginger, did you read the posts from towntatler saying lesbians need to be beaten up and transactivists must take control of women's conversations?

Do you realise that the FWR board on here is relentlessly targeted precisely because it is effective?

this is the first time I've totally interacted on this forum rather than just read.

So the first time you interact is on a thread about a woman being attacked and your comments aren’t about her, they’re to tell us to be nice. None of the threads of murdered women, raped women, FGM, assaults... none of them compelled you to add your thoughts...but this poor violent man had women call him a thug for attacking a lesbian campaigner, and you’re all over it.

You’re not a feminist. I don’t like saying it, but you’re not. You don’t understand what it is, feminism, for a start.

Well shit, did you actually just flounce ginger
You know theres a whole section dedicated to flouncing.

I've also had dozens of pms from people saying they feel the same as me.

Yes, of course you have, dear.

I'll ask again ginger why is this particular man your hill to die on?

There are a lot of non violent TRAs that I could easier understand going out on a limb for than this one.

Why mount a one woman defence for a man who is a well known stalker of women and had to be held back by three security guards to prevent a woman being hurt by him?

I'm baffled that this is the one man you are willing to write off the Mumsnet FWR on behalf of.

I grew up on a farm, working in shearing
sheds.... I swear a lot. So fucking what? How snobby to be offended by swearing. What offends me is the oppression, murder, rape and assault of women. Not swearing. They’re just words we’ve been conditioned to think are not ladylike to say. Fuck it.

well then you are wrong .this is the first time I've totally interacted on this forum rather than just read. I won't be doing that again.
I've also had dozens of pms from people saying they feel the same as me.I think this fight needs claiming by the "fledgling" feminists if it's going to be won. Luckily there's plenty more of us listening and talking now. and the broad thrust of opinions and language on this thread do not represent us

You keep on making generalised statements as if you are talking to just one person. You are not. Many, myself included, have attempted to engage with you in good faith. I don't believe that you have received lots of PMs at all. I'm now of the opinion that your posts were a diversionary tactic. So, yes, goodbye.

And for someone who doesn't like bad language and name calling - calling yourself "A fucking terf" was a bit of a give-away. Nobody here would even dream of speaking like that - even in jest.

A quick search of ginger does show that she is remarkably unassertive, if not timid.

I'm still interested in why Just responded to a post to Ginger and the response is whoops, got confused.

I just don’t agree with how you choose to express it.

And loads of people have said they dont use insults

There is no ‘you’