Julie Bindel physically attacked after meeting

[MsMcWibble]

Seems to have been carried out by well known TRA who has threatened violence before: twitter.com/bindelj/status/1136402563379716096

How is calling a thug a thus insulting?

Statement of fact surely

I'm not interested in compromising on safeguarding.

I'm not interested in compromising on the rights of women and girls because a subset of males happen to think they are us.

I did not come looking for this fight.

It was brought to my door by AWA/TRAs and I'll be fucked if I'll told to be nicer/more sympathetic/ think about how bad I look/ mind my language while they piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

I'm not often taken aback, but the suggestion that this thread is full of unjustified insults towards a poor, troubled individual with mental health problems is remarkable.

I think it's been relatively tame. Threads about JY get much more animated than this, and JY hasn't as far we know, been violent towards a woman to the point of needing to be restrained.

I have no wish to encourage a stream of invective against this person because he is trans but pointing out that he is not a 'young woman' is not an insult, it's a statement of basic fact, and I am astonished at the suggestion that the statement could be used to prove the women here are inciting the violence our sisters are being subjected to.

I don't recognize you ginger, I'm sorry if you are a regular, but I do know clitherow and I'm extremely surprised that you felt it necessary to chide here. Perhaps you feel, as I do, that this kind of event has been brewing for some time and wish it could have been prevented. I know many here do, and yes, the blame for that lies with those in powerful positions who have facilitated this. But we are not discussing a frail ingenue, we are talking about a violent man who has been violent, in extreme disapproval. Your censure is misplaced.

Furthermore, woman hating isn't a mental illness. It's a product of patriarchal control.

And it's quite true that the ante has been upped since more women have pushed back.

Speaker's corner assault, masked men with dogs, police arrests, litigation, bomb threats, doxing and online intimidation.

Violent, woman hating men everywhere are galvanised into rage at women's solidarity, strength and refusal to comply.

And I understand, ginger, that you would rather we target the institutions, the newspapers, and the powers that be, but all those places are populated by the towntattlers of this world.

They are the power.

Oops, I posted before I read that SpartacusAutisticusAHF.

But I respect your opinion, I'm pleased that I've reached a similar conclusion.

To be fair to ginger, I believe they are genuinely gc and get the issues.

I disagree with their conclusion, but I think they mean well.

i don't like the comments about looks either

Neither do i

Which is why I don’t make them

SpartacusAutisticus
I wanted to post about the total idiocy of suggesting that this man is mentally unwell. I couldn't work out how to convey my horror and distaste at linking abhorrent behaviour to mental health issues. So thank you for articulating this so clearly when I couldn't.

Oooh gosh yes completely agree with your comments re mental health spartacus

Its a dreadful thing to say... oh they are violent or mean or nasty....they much have mental health problems , just dreadful

Ok, I'll admit I haven't scanned the thread for instances of dissecting the looks of the obviously male attacker, but I did read someone pointing out that he has a beard in one picture, and yes, ugly has probably been used.

I don't especially care to focus on looks here, but are we seriously suggesting that the women posting these things were doing so to critique his beauty standards? There are fairly tame expression of anger and disbelief that such an obviously male person could be cossetted as a vulnerable young female.

I'm not suggesting that ginger or clitherow have an agenda, but I maintain that the criticism they have enjoined on this thread is unwarranted.

I'm not often taken aback, but the suggestion that this thread is full of unjustified insults towards a poor, troubled individual with mental health problems is remarkable.

Yes it is.

Telling women to be nicer because you assume he is ‘mentally ill’ is really in poor taste after someone we all respect has been attacked by them. I’m sick and tired of women being told we are responsible for healing a ‘mentally ill’ man, as if mental illness is the cause of all violence. It is an insult to those of us with mental illness, for women much of it is caused by trauma from male abuse. To come here and tell us, again many who are victims of male violence, that we can’t call a violent man names, that it makes us as bad as the abusive TRA’s, is really fucking awful. It’s a common theme but no less repugnant each time it happens. It happens to people of colour a lot too, ‘ react nicely when police officers are shooting your kids in the back’...

We are not the ones inciting or committing violence, harassment and abuse. How dare you compare our responses to an act of violence against a woman, to the vile extreme behaviour of these trans activists.

And yes, as someone who has been in mental health units a number of times, I never enjoy it when mental illness is tied up with criminal behaviour. It's extremely damaging. And honestly, it's pretty baseless here. The individual in question is a ranty Twitter personality and has threatened and enacted violence. A diagnosis of mental ill health is a tad more involved than being a thug with a Twitter account.

Two of my children have struggled with their mental health so i do agree completely with floral and spartacus

And Cathy Brennan is a fairly tough, not afraid to say it as it is, kind of woman. This man has been targetting her for at least seven years.

She woke up this morning with her inbox full of messages asking if she'd assaulted Julie Bindle.

You cannot underestimate the kind of stress that produces.

Utterly deliberate. Seven years worth.

The thing is, men aren't violent because they can't stop themselves - as evidenced by the fact that they're not violent to those who are stronger than them who might hit back.
They're violent because they're allowed.
And Ginger's attack on us for calling them out might be well meaning but in reality it is nothing more than another way of allowing them to carry on.

Skipped through and not caught up because

placemats was that a secret radfem one with a MN meet up and it had a women only disco after and dittany was there?

I mean the 2010 one with actual Cathy there

Aargh 2012. The one you mentioned earlier

menu is being so circumspect thats shes confused herself

Oh and also

Women CAUSE misogynist male violence.

It's a story as old as time.
Last used by morgane o as they back away from jy although in that case it s sexual misconduct that is the fault of women and girls

For future reference. From a Mumsnet thread in 2018

And yes, as someone who has been in mental health units a number of times, I never enjoy it when mental illness is tied up with criminal behaviour. It's extremely damaging. And honestly, it's pretty baseless here. The individual in question is a ranty Twitter personality and has threatened and enacted violence. A diagnosis of mental ill health is a tad more involved than being a thug with a Twitter account.

neither of us know what this man's mental health status is - certain mental health conditions are linked in many studies with higher rates of violence but obviously not all mental health conditions - schizophrenia obviously more than depression - here's a fairly objective summary

www.nursingtimes.net/clinical-archive/assessment-skills/the-link-between-mental-health-problems-and-violent-behaviour/204481.article

But I would suggest that given he is a man that thinks he is a woman or pretends that he thinks he is a woman this would suggest a certain amount of instability.

Frankly I don't have enough faith in our mental health services to determine whether he is or he isn't but I absolutely resent any implication that I am defending male violence against women which is certainly not the case.

But I would suggest that given he is a man that thinks he is a woman or pretends that he thinks he is a woman this would suggest a certain amount of instability.

Uh oh.