Julie Bindel physically attacked after meeting

[MsMcWibble]

Seems to have been carried out by well known TRA who has threatened violence before: twitter.com/bindelj/status/1136402563379716096

I've been at a conference with the real Cathy Brennan (c2012) and she is lovely. However, even then there was the infiltration by this vile person and GTrender was on it. I think Cathy had to go undercover. Gallus was very circumspect about it all.

Is my view. Datun

This is not a neutral space. Why would someone come on this particular forum and make such unreasonable requests. I think it is an exercise in damage limitation; trying to shift the guilt away from the perpetrator and the movement they represent. And if this person is indeed so mentally unstable - then should they do something ill-considered then it is the fault of the women here.

Isn't Dianne Abbot getting shit though because people see her as a hypocrite for sending support to Julie whilst also supporting the removal of women's rights through self id?

She's getting shit from both sides.

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Okay thanks for confirming that my memory isn't as unreliable as I thought.

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2012? So this person has been targeting women for at least seven years?

I remember from GenderTrender the real Cathy Brennan being surrounded and harassed whilst sat on a bench somewhere. Can't remember if it was the same person who attacked Julie.

Many of you are unaware at how close to the toxic parrele of this polarised debate you are and are part of the problem.

I am angry. I'm allowed to be angry. My anger will not lead me to stalking men and ensuring that they live a life in fear of danger.

Get a grip Ginger. There is a huge difference.

No one on here is inciting violence. NO ONE!

Many of you are unaware at how close to the toxic parrele of this polarised debate you are and are part of the problem

No!

Most of us are totally aware of how extremism in the form of threats; violent rhetoric; closing down; banning etc creates strong feelings of injustice - which is what you are witnessing here.

If such actions of people such as this 'person' were not an everyday occurrence then there would not be so much heat.

Yes. It's been going on for quite some time. I was shocked when I saw his twitter feed under Cathy's name a year ago. Then I realised it was this little prick who targets women because: misogyny.

will do anything to find a solution or compromise
It's always one way this compromise business. And in this case I don't see a compromise to be reached. This person tried to beat up a woman. There is no way of making that look good.

Seeing the attacker described as 'a young woman' really drives home how insane trans ideology is. 'Young woman' has meaning and it doesn't include biologically male people.

But we don’t know he is mentally ill
Being mentally ill does no give you the option to attack women

It really really doesn’t

I read his twitter feed last night and it was disturbing that’s just a fact

How scary must it have been for Julie and Rosa. To have a man attacking you and screaming hate filled words at you
They both must have been so frightened

Awful awful for him to do that

I have been thinking and occasionally commenting that someone is going to get hurt, and by hurt I've actually meant, in my thoughts, killed.

Women broke through a#nodebate and forced a debate. But the trans position cannot debate because there is no logic to it, as women like Jane Clare Jones have ably demonstrated.

The entire trans position is one of priviliging feeling over fact and reason, and the feelings it privileges are the feelings of narcissistic demand: acceptance without exception boils down to: my way or the highway.

There is a cohort of men who go ballistic when women say no.

Women said no. Now that cohort of men is going ballistic. And the ones who are personality disordered, and there are a significant number who are because any movement that's premised on narcissistic demand is going to draw malignant narcissists, will go ballistic in terrible ways and I use that word "terrible" intentionally to draw attention to its root "terror" because that is the purpose, to terrorize women.

Law enforcement and governmental bodies, from local to national, need to come to grips with fast with what they've fostered.

Male violence is the scourge of the earth -- and in no way are women responsible for it. Most especially not a woman like Julie Bindel who has dedicated her life to fighting it and to liberating women who are victims of it.

IMHO, Julie Bindel is more deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize than a lot of the men who've received it.

Yes bicker

He said let’s make the terfs afraid

See how the word terf makes us less than human

Like then he can justify. If he said let’s make women afraid

She's getting shit from both sides

If that is the case, then It will only be toxic, violent rhetoric and hate-filled from one side of the debate, and we know which one that is.

I can well imagine women holding her compliant actions within the Labour group up to scrutiny. That would not constitute abuse, though.

ginger, do you intend to seek out this person and work with him to get help/conquer his anger? Talk to him about his insulting language and how it reflects poorly on him?

Or do you intend to do precisely nothing about him and chide women about their language instead?

Have a think about where you are choosing to focus your energies. And why.

I think a lot of us are sick to the back teeth of the reaction to a man's violent attack being "well, the problem is women's reactions to male violence so let's spend all our energies policing women's reactions instead".

How do intelligent people just not see this for exactly what it is?

Many of you are unaware at how close to the toxic parallel of this polarised debate you are and are part of the problem.

Do please explain this statement to us. Thank you.

Now that cohort of men is going ballistic. And the ones who are personality disordered, and there are a significant number who are because any movement that's premised on narcissistic demand is going to draw malignant narcissists, will go ballistic in terrible ways and I use that word "terrible" intentionally to draw attention to its root "terror" because that is the purpose, to terrorize women.

Yes.

This is the Evening Standard's take.

A photo of JB but none of the brave, stunning and indeed bearded perpetrator she "misidentifies as a man."

If that is the case, then It will only be toxic, violent rhetoric and hate-filled from one side of the debate, and we know which one that is.

I can well imagine women holding her compliant actions within the Labour group up to scrutiny. That would not constitute abuse, though.

Yep that's a pretty fair reflection. I should have "" the shit. TRAs the general 'but that person is a transphoooobbbbe'. Women calmly suggesting Diane takes a look at Labour party policy and processes on this.

I would also add ginger you objected to the word it, being used to describe this man.
Women who comment here are very wary about the apparent crime of mis gendering. MNHQ have made it clear that intentionally mis gendering anybody in a comment will result in that comment being deleted. See the lying lawyer threads. Nobody would refer to this man as she or say her. He is clearly Male so until it became clear that comments referring to him as a man would not be deleted, I suspect that was why the word it was used.

And the ones who are personality disordered, and there are a significant number who are because any movement that's premised on narcissistic demand is going to draw malignant narcissists, will go ballistic in terrible ways and I use that word "terrible" intentionally to draw attention to its root "terror" because that is the purpose, to terrorize women.

Yes. And any Mumsnetter who spends time on the Relationships board will recognise these behavioural patterns.

Polarised with equal blame on either side?

Who do you think you're fooling?

Women's rights are under attack. You are blaming women for resisting their rights being stolen by men. Just think on that. The violence, the threats, is all one sided, by the men who want to conquer women. And you blame women for resisting and call that as bad as men threatening to rape and kill, and punching women in the street.

"mis-identified as a man" my arse.