Dearest MNHQ, please please please would you...

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change the details section here from Gender to SEX since that is what is actually being asked. Sex matters.

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Wow MNHQ, you really are afraid of the TRAs, aren’t you? While I’m happy you’ve removed that sexist term, ‘gender’, I’m actually shocked that MNHQ is actually more afraid of offending an aggressive minority, than its core demographic.

I would have crossed out "Do you consider yourself to be..." and written "I am..."

I am puzzled by the obvious reluctance to use the word "sex" though. What is so terrifying, even in the present day dystopian wonderland we live in where no-one is allowed to say that the Emperor is naked, about asking in clear and unambiguous terms, whether a child has female or male genitalia?

@CassianAndor bloody hell. I don't get why people try their hardest to confuse things. I just read a list of all the 'genders', some of them are just plain crazy. I thought it was simply a synonym for sex, nothing else. Although it appears I'm very wrong.

You’re through the looking glass now Pinkyy, no going back

Gender: what a load of rubbish

Can you just explain to me how someone changes their gender?

Just like someone can change their religion or their political beliefs. It’s about thoughts. Gender isn’t anything to do with sex (which cannot change). Gender is based on stereotypes of males and females that usually make women= girly/pink/housework/dresses and males= tough/suits and trousers/DIY etc. Which we all know is bullshit so we reject those stereotypes and therefore reject being labelled as a gender. I do not have a gender. I am just me.

Pinkyy unfortunately not.

Welcome to the coven.

@BernardBlacksWineIcelolly @CassianAndor Thank you both. I wish I'd never opened myself up to this. It's a mixture of confusing and infuriating, yet addictive at the same time to read about.

@JoxerGoesToStuttgart but there are over 100 genders now. Surely one of them suits you?

Pinkyyy If you want to head over to the Feminist board, I’ll get everyone to move over, so you can squeeze in. It’s getting very crowded, since more and more people are waking up to what is really going on, but the more the merrier. 😁

but there are over 100 genders now. Surely one of them suits you?

Must i pick a gender? why?

There are oodles of religions too. I subscribe to none of them. Should I just pick one of those too?

@S1naidSucks I've always tried to steer clear of the feminist board. I've tried to engage once or twice and always been piled on perhaps I've just been on the wrong threads.

@JoxerGoesToStuttgart well I'd have thought that if people are going to make a fuss about not being tied down to only 2 genders, they'd at least use one of the silly made up ones, for themselves.

I might identify as Batgender, I feel that it's the perfect mix of batman/batshit. And it's on the list so it's real.

well I'd have thought that if people are going to make a fuss about not being tied down to only 2 genders, they'd at least use one of the silly made up ones, for themselves.

I’m not seeing any logic in this comment. Why would you have thought that?

It’s not about being tied to “only” two genders. It’s that people simply do not have a gender at all. I’m not sure why that is difficult to understand. I don’t have a religion either.

@JoxerGoesToStuttgart so are you saying people are trying to make it so there are no genders? If so then I'm afraid the opposite has happened. There are now infinite genders.

The bit that makes me laugh about all this is that tho' there may be very many "genders" the trans community only speak of two: men and women.

They seem to have hijacked the word gender and decided it now means sex. Someone should tell them.

Sex = two, male and female

Gender = loads (and counting) it's well over a hundred now isn't it?

so are you saying people are trying to make it so there are no genders?

No. I’m saying some people believe in genders and some people don’t. Just like some people believe in a god and some don’t. Those who don’t believe in genders shouldn’t be forced to label themselves as a gender just because others believe in it.

And an interesting fudge from Mumsnet.

What are we scared of by choosing to define our children by their biological sex, not how they conform or not to stereotypes? Disappointed.

SEX IS THE QUESTION WHY IS THAT SO DIFFICULT???

Don't you realise how sinister this is MNHQ? Aren't those fence splinters getting uncomfortable?

Aren't those fence splinters getting uncomfortable?

Laughed out loud!

Laughed at the splinters too @PickledGulag

After all that chewing the fat @MichaelMumsnet comes to tell us that the revised system SUPPORTS SELF-ID

Children can't legally "change sex" via GRC so neither can their parents as their proxies. "Boy" and "Girl" are as ambiguous as it gets in today's climate and we KNOW that some parents will opt to record the opposite to their child's sex.

Creeping "Self-ID" and adoption of Gender in place of Sex means having to routinely correct forms and/or add additional information to clarify "Sex not Gender". It would have made a welcome change to see SEX i.e. Female or Male as the categories with a "free text" field if any parent wanted to explain that their child now also identifies as an agender wombat or whatever the latest craze is!

people are trying to make it so there are no genders?

Not quite, pinkyyy. A political ideology is trying to make it that there is no sex (as in male and female, sperm creators and egg creators). That's why there are infinite "genders" and no mentions of sex.

After all that chewing the fat MichaelMumsnet comes to tell us that the revised system SUPPORTS SELF-ID

Do I laugh? Cry? Run amok with impotent fury?

I think I'll just sit here and whinge to myself that we're being patronised, yet again.

@LangCleg and do you support that idea?

Hmm. Disappointing from @mnhq there. Why can't it just ask for the sex of the child?

do you support that idea?

Me? No! I'm a feminist. If you can't see sex, you can't see sexism. If you can't name woman as adult human female, you can't collect accurate data, you can't address inequality, and men come surging into women's spaces where they're not fucking wanted.

Plus, the same movement is currently driving a coach and horses through child safeguarding, destroying boundaries. And that's another can of worms.

@LangCleg I couldn't agree more. If I walked into a toilet and saw a man in there (dress and heels or not) I'd walk straight back out. It's incredibly scary to think that these men think they have the right to enter women's only spaces just because they say they're a woman.

Aaaaaand we've peak transed Pinkyyy! Welcome! You're a terf now, by the way. It's meant to be a terrible insult. It translates to "person with grip of reality".

@DuchessSybilVimes I feel like I'm part of something! Thank you. I had no idea there were non-feminists on the feminist board, which is why I've done by best to avoid them. Will dip my toe in the next one I find interesting...