A pleasant surprise

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NC for this as very outing.

I came across a number of Tweets from a user whose profile described him as a serving officer with the Met. This is the complaint I sent yesterday:

Jon Killen, a emergency response officer in the MPS and LGBT+ officer, is issuing Tweets that I consider misogynist. His Twitter account (@LDNResponseCop) clearly identifies him professionally, so he cannot argue that he's only offering personal opinions. I cannot think his social media presence is doing anything good for the Met. It seems highly unprofessional. Certainly I would have less confidence were I involved in an incident and had to deal with Jon Killen than I would in a generic officer. Please look at what he's saying - and the response from many LGBT Twitter users who find his Tweets offensive. The police must be seen to be impartial.

I got a call from an inspector this morning. He'd gone through the officer's Tweets and agreed with me. He said it wasn't a disciplinary matter as there were no personally offensive Tweets but that the Tweets definitely overstepped the bounds of what a serving police officer should be saying on social media. A conversation was in order and he would be talking to the officer soon.

Only a small step, but I was pleased the Met seems to have taken it seriously.

No, the definitions of gender dysphoria and being trans in the mental health definitions world has had some updates recently.

And that last reply... yes I think you’ve hit peak succinctness there.

Being socialised male actually gives transwomen a very unique and useful insight into feminist issues, they have very illuminating perspectives that are particularly good for making men understand women’s experiences. A valuable asset!

In other words, men like mansplaining to women what issues women should be concerned about and how to ‘do’ feminism correctly. No change there.

"If your feminism prioritises males, it is bullshit" was something I rather liked on twitter.

No dear, you have been more impacted or more easily manipulated, by female socialisation which involves centring the needs of men over those of women. That’s your problem.

Yes. Most of us have been there. A few years more experience in the world outside of the university bubble will move your thinking on a bit. As will that moment when the reality of female biology hits you like a juggernaut and you realise that your body isn’t actually an empowering thing that makes men like you, but the source of all sorts of social and physical shit that disadvantages us over males.

No, the definitions of gender dysphoria and being trans in the mental health definitions world has had some updates recently. No what?

Are you telling us about the DSM? the WHO re-classification of gender incongruence? Oh, you do need to catch up! That is a whole new bucket of worms... for trans people mainly!

zoecb, if you really are a woman, you really should grow up a bit, and stop centring males, prioritising men, and pandering to men.

Women still have a fight going on - our rights are being assaulted from all directions at the moment - and yet you're here arguing for pandering to males? That's exactly what feminists should NOT be doing.

Cor

Doesn’t the TWAW argument come across as bonkers?

Anyone who spouts it should really read the bottom half of this thread and then have a jolly good think

LOL NO.
Trans people are just quite uniquely placed to observe how one is treated navigating the world as male-presenting vs as (passing) female-presenting. They have personal experience of both to compare and contrast and recount and be heard.

Similarly, I have been both an overweight woman and an underweight woman in my past years, and the difference in how I was treated by people was staggering in a way I could never understand the same way had I been consistently fat all my life or consistently thin all my life (spoiler alert, you get a much easier time of things when you’re skinny).

I have never, personally, met a transwoman who ‘passes’ , so perhaps they are not seeing life as both male and female as they think. It is, of course, polite to pretend that they do and that’s where the confusion arises, I think.

LOL? Why LOL?

You see you are a woman, you say. You have beenfat and you have been skinny. Measurable, real.

Transwomen are men. They cannot change that. They can be all sorts of men... fit, fat, thin, trans tec. But they cannot change sex. You said yourself female presenting as in they dress up and even have comsetic surgery...

There is no similarity.

If you want me to believe you tell me how a human changes sex...

What what now a trans woman can give us the the low down on how life treats us a woman

Erm I already know. And I know how life treats men.

Jeez. Ffs

We know this stuff.

And we know we can’t change sex.

How is that so hard to understand. ☹️

That's a big assumption that they pass.

Transwomen don't really pass in real life so they wouldn't get a genuine female response.

Anyone who think I pander to men really doesn’t know me :-D

And yes, redacted term apparently do assault transwomen and their allies, they disrupt Pride parades in the name of their ideology often, the one that I marched in a few years ago was held up by them, although it’s thankfully not too violent in the U.K. so far.

At the end of the day transwomen are miles more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators, as are all other women. It’s a parallel fight, the same fight, not an opposing one.

We all want an end to gender-based violence.

What what what now.

I can’t believe you just said that terves attack transwomen.

Is that what you mean ?

Transwomen need to fight alongside, not as women, if they care so very much about biological females.

You're pandering to men now. On this thread. On a feminist board.

Try putting women to the centre.

And the lesbians who "disrupted" Pride did so peacefully, as is theit democratic right and have never assaulted anyone.

At the end of the day transwomen are miles more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators

The statistics don't back this up. It's the opposite actually.

Never met a transwoman who passes? Erm, think about that sentence for a minute :-D

I’ve definitely met women AND men that I didn’t know were trans until I was told!

I dread to think how you treat people who have an androgynous look/style for no particular reason :-D. Must be very confusing for you!

Oh is Zoe banging on about lesbians on chairs or having coffee or being at pride.

Jeez wtaf.

There’s a massive difference to having an androgynous look though. How silly to say we all can’t properly identify a man or woman by looking at them. We can. We do. Every day. Throughout history. It’s not hard.

You’ve lost me at lesbians on chairs. I thought the bisexual culture meme was that it’s bisexuals that sit on chairs weirdly :-)

“It’s not hard”... and yet :-p

Jeez Zoe. Bye.

I had enough. Of this tripe talk