A pleasant surprise

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NC for this as very outing.

I came across a number of Tweets from a user whose profile described him as a serving officer with the Met. This is the complaint I sent yesterday:

Jon Killen, a emergency response officer in the MPS and LGBT+ officer, is issuing Tweets that I consider misogynist. His Twitter account (@LDNResponseCop) clearly identifies him professionally, so he cannot argue that he's only offering personal opinions. I cannot think his social media presence is doing anything good for the Met. It seems highly unprofessional. Certainly I would have less confidence were I involved in an incident and had to deal with Jon Killen than I would in a generic officer. Please look at what he's saying - and the response from many LGBT Twitter users who find his Tweets offensive. The police must be seen to be impartial.

I got a call from an inspector this morning. He'd gone through the officer's Tweets and agreed with me. He said it wasn't a disciplinary matter as there were no personally offensive Tweets but that the Tweets definitely overstepped the bounds of what a serving police officer should be saying on social media. A conversation was in order and he would be talking to the officer soon.

Only a small step, but I was pleased the Met seems to have taken it seriously.

Far from fact. More like fiction.

To zoecb

Spaces calling themselves female spaces are only truly such if they include all women.

Female spaces cease to be female spaces the moment any male enters them. Deep down all TRA's know this hence the all the violent and misogynistic bile they spout towards women. They can't escape from their own cognitive dissonance no matter how hard they try, it's as futile as trying to escape from your own shadow.

I’m just baffled people can be proud of their transphobic views rather than ashamed

Most of us are long past giving a crap about accusations of transphobia. It's a word that is now emptied of any rational meaning, a word that simultaneously means both everything and nothing at the same time.

Most of us are long past giving a crap about accusations of transphobia.

Yep. Don't give a shit. The term is levelled at 99% of the population, including trans people themselves. In the end, there will be only one person left in the country who is able to smugly pronounce themselves a trans ally, because everyone else will have been denounced. They probably won't even be trans themselves.

Transphobia my arse. Muslim women, jewish women and most other adult human females who rightly dont want/cant have men in their spaces = transphobia. Yeah.

Good job transwomen aren’t “males” then! Problem solved.
Thanks for the cake emoji? I like cake...

A trans person is someone who is not the gender they were assigned at birth and experiences dysphoria being referred to and treated as that a member of that gender which they do not feel correctly describes them.

For example I was assigned female at birth and am lucky enough that I feel quite happily female in my mind, body etc.

I’d feel extremely distressed if I woke up one day and everyone started seeing me as a man and calling me one. Even if it was a supernatural movie where I got struck by some magic lightning and grew a penis and a beard, I’d be horrified but I’d still be a woman in my mind and personality and all the places where identity actually resides. Maybe I have higher levels of empathy than average, I don’t know. I just don’t see why people should be punished and bullied (and frighteningly often, beaten and murdered) for the way they were born. Live and let live.

There is no such thing as being female in your mind. Stop talking shit and peddling regressive sexist stereotypes. When you grow up and gain some experience of life, you will be embarrassed at yourself.

Also why on earth would you assume people of certain religions are transphobic? I know Muslims and Jews who are trans and none I know, as far as I know, are transphobic. (Obviously I don’t exactly hang out with any fundamentalists.) What a weird thing to bring into it.

Because fantasy/sci fi movie plots are the very best way of explaining to women that men are women if they really believe they are...

I will stick to genuinely intersectional feminism, ta, that centres women, with an awareness of how other forms of oppression can affect them, like racism and poverty.

You can go be nice to the sad men if you want. It won't ever be feminism to campaign for the rights of men just because they like femininity.

I really hope you get some life experience that opens your mind.

Maybe I have higher levels of empathy than average, I don’t know

Or perhaps you're really gullible, looking at it from another angle.

Most of us on here have already changed our minds, thanks. We've going from happily accepting that TWAW to having our eyes and minds opened and not being able to go along with the gaslighting, cognitive dissonance, intellectual dishonesty, and erosion of female boundaries any longer. When you grow out of your naive students' union, man-pleasing liberal feminism, we'll be waiting.

The mind is where more or less everything happens I think you’ll find!

Intersectional Feminism campaigns for the rights of ALL WOMEN. You can’t pick and choose which sections 😂. It means all the sections. Including

Having transphobic, regressive, sexist and ignorant attitudes is a choice, one that I cannot understand any more than any other form of discrimination and poor treatment of people simply for who they are. It costs £0.00 not to make that choice.

Having transphobic, regressive, sexist and ignorant attitudes is a choice, one that I cannot understand any more than any other form of discrimination and poor treatment of people simply for who they are. It costs £0.00 not to make that choice.

Presumably after logging off here then you'll be heading over to to some trans spaces to berate them on many of the regressive, sexist and ignorant attitudes on display towards females, especially lesbian females. After all they are making a choice to do that.

Do post a link and we'll cheer you on.

A trans person is someone who is not the gender they were assigned at birth and experiences dysphoria being referred to and treated as that a member of that gender which they do not feel correctly describes them. Let me see

• gender is not sex
• sex is observed and recorded at birth, not randomly assigned
• gender is, again, not sex. If someone is dysphoric they need medical intervention, not to change biology

For example I was assigned female at birth and am lucky enough that I feel quite happily female in my mind, body etc. So, you were born female, recognised and recorded as such and have no dysphoria? Good

I’d feel extremely distressed if I woke up one day and everyone started seeing me as a man and calling me one. Why would that happen unless you took steps to radically modify your appearance. Human beings are very good at knowing which sex a person is!

Maybe I have higher levels of empathy than average, I don’t know. That you don't is clear.

I just don’t see why people should be punished and bullied (and frighteningly often, beaten and murdered) for the way they were born. Odd that, as women have been saying the same thing for centuries, yet still FGM, rape, DV etc occur at a frightningly hight rate.

Live and let live yes. Let me be a woman, with all the rights women have fight for. Let transwomen fight for their own rather than the dismantling of mine.

Yes all women. Not men.

You like focusing on the men who really like femininity. That's your choice. I am into women, in all senses of that phrase, and I have no interest in expanding the definition of feminism into meaninglessness by including men in it.

Not everything happens in the mind, you crazy mystic. We are physical, sexed beings.

Quite sure being radically inclusive is a position I am comfortable with :-)

Intersectional Feminism campaigns for the rights of ALL WOMEN. You can’t pick and choose which sections 😂. It means all the sections. Including Why the crying/laughing face? Is that supposed to signify your deeper understanding, our stupidity? Oh dear!

Transwomen are men! ALL women and transectional feminism is for women of all ethnicities, abilities etc. Not for men.

However, as a smart poster has already said, I shan't, can't be goaded by an ignoramus!

Sadly that hasn't been true for far too many women... being sexually assaulted, in prison, by a fellow inmate isn't comfortable! But you know that. You're choosing to be ignorant, smug and shallow!

You can radically include penis if you want. I don't actually care. You'll get no traction here if you're promoting dick pandering, though, especially if you come in with "You're all bigots and not feminists if you don't include penis-havers!"

Just so you know.

Fairly sure “crazy mystic” would qualify as both ableist and religious hate speech if reported but ok.

You’re so close to getting it! Gender is not sex and gender dysphoria does need medical intervention! In the case of trans people that means medically transitioning!!! The extent to which they choose to/are able to do that is very personal and depends on a range of medical and financial factors.

Interesting that people personally calling me an idiot are not censored for personal attacks and not being sufficiently civil eyebrow raise.

The mind is where more or less everything happens I think you’ll find

Oh dear, a Cartesian.

Feminist philosophers blew Descartes and his mind/body split out of the water decades ago.