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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jonathan Yaniv

153 replies

invinoveritaserum · 29/05/2019 09:48

Having familiarised myself with this person, how in the name of holy fuck has he not been arrested? He seems to be laughing at people while hiding in plain sight. So very, very disturbing.

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Datun · 31/05/2019 11:16

It is really very little to do with the actual clothes and more to do with having a boundary violation fetish

Ain't that the truth. And l we see a significant number of men who have it.

Popchyk · 31/05/2019 12:08

"It looks like TRAs are currently in the silence phase and are starting to consider expulsion as public awareness grows".

How can they expel Yaniv though?

Just saying "We don't want you around any more, Jessica" isn't going to result in Yaniv meekly retiring from the community.

If anyone identifies as transgender, then that's the end of the matter. Acceptance without exception.

If the community denounces Yaniv as a faker, that's an admission that transgenderism can be faked. That is heresy.

If the community states that Yaniv is actually transgender but is a predator, then that's an admission that genuine transpeople can be predators. That is heresy.

The trans community can shun Yaniv. But that won't stop Yaniv from claiming that they speak on behalf of the community. Would probably make Yaniv even more determined to do so. And Yaniv will turn on those who were cheerleading in the past. Sure as eggs is eggs.

Yaniv will identify as transgender for a long time yet since it is the only thing that enables the behaviour and shields them from consequences.

Yaniv is going nowhere.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 31/05/2019 13:00

If anyone identifies as transgender, then that's the end of the matter. Acceptance without exception.

This is the issue I keep butting up against with someone I know.
Every single time, she will respond with variations on "that won't happen" (it has, I've just named him!) to "you can't tar every trans with the same brush" (he is the risk we are discussing, not "real" trans - which in itself her being transphobic, but whatever); that "someone" will make sure bad eggs don't get allowed (like, say, the prison system with K White?) etc etc etc.

I know her. When we talk I feel her frustration that I can't see what she sees, and her confusion that I am indeed tarring them all with the same brush. In my turn I am frustrated that she can't see that the "acceptance without exception" is a curate's egg; or my confusion that she seems impervious to seeing the evidence.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 31/05/2019 13:07

Well if you invite the vampire in...

andyoldlabour · 31/05/2019 14:03

KatvonHostileExtremist

Thank you so much for that link to the twitter feed, I haven't laughed so much in ages, particularly when JY turns up to make some comments.

Gingernaut · 31/05/2019 14:13

Seriously looks like a horror film actor.

I was kicked off Twitter for 7 days for retweeting one of JY's posts.

JustAnotherWoman · 31/05/2019 15:30

Kittens nightsky the Clapham person wtf sitting in the children's section of the library dressed like that Shock should ring all sorts of alarm bells

placemats · 31/05/2019 19:15

Muststopfaffing

I agree regarding the mental illness thing but autism is not a mental illness. I think everyone in the world knows that now. No more than being physically disabled is a mental illness.

This man is open with his predilections. The Canadian courts should not entertain them.

andyoldlabour · 31/05/2019 23:39

JustAnotherWoman

The Clapham pervert being allowed to walk around the streets like that in front of everyone is not acceptable.
I sound like an old prude, but that is my view.
Have we no standards anymore?

BitOfFun · 01/06/2019 06:19

I've just seen this cartoon on twitter. Sums it up, I think.

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OrchidInTheSun · 01/06/2019 06:25

I had a rather uncomfortable conversation with my children about the Clapham tranny and why we could see his bottom (he was wearing bikini bottoms but they were very small). I don't think there is anything positive about the normalisation of fetishes

KatvonHostileExtremist · 01/06/2019 07:32

What's the protocol for transvestites (which the Clapham Tranny) describes themselves as (screenshot from their website, where they also tell you how to avoid a cold) ?
Do we have to call them "she" ?

Thought this an interesting article, absolutely no fetish to see here:

www.sophiegreenphotography.com/blog/2014/5/25/portrait-jessi-west-norwood-london

JustAnotherWoman · 01/06/2019 08:00

We'd need the police to apply the law on public decency on people like the Clapham tranny (their own description not mine MN) but that's not going to happen

KittensinaBlender · 01/06/2019 18:08

The Clapham tranny is regarded as a harmless eccentric by many... usually those who haven’t had direct contact with him.

Men’s sexual kinks are to be protected as long as they tread the fine line between lawful and unlawful. Public decency only really seems to relate to women.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 01/06/2019 18:19

Eccentric- unless you are a small child in the library and probably scared of them.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 01/06/2019 18:44

I was at a social centre last week. One of the new attendees is a post-op (boob job at least) male to female trans person.

I was making small talk with another person I knew (slightly learning disabled, superficial chit chat) and every time the trans person commented, it was to make a sexual innuendo. It felt like that was how they performed being a woman. Very awkward.

OrchidInTheSun · 01/06/2019 18:59

This is what the Clapham Tranny has to say about himself:

"After I had fixed my mind, I discovered that the secret of radiant happiness is to live my fantasy on a daily basis. My fantasy is to be the sexiest woman alive, for all to see, since this is the ultimate object of desire."

And some people say that AGP isn't a thing Hmm

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 01/06/2019 19:45

Sexy to small children in the library? Wowzer

Upzadaizy · 01/06/2019 20:01

It's fascinating that Morgane Onger has repudiated this person.

I have to occasional professional contact & interaction with a transwoman over the last decade - since they started to transition. In the last 4-5 years they seem to have invested a lot of money/expensive hardware/whatever in enhancing their artificial breasts - to a pornstar style & size, and dresses to match - attending conferences in boob tube style tops and very short skirts, and very exaggerated drag queen style make up. They never really passed, but when they dressed less obviously, and more low-key, there was the possibility of blending without too much notice.

Several younger women whom I mentor have individually whispered - I mean, literally felt they've had to whisper and speak in a kind of coded shorthand, to the effect that they find this person's presence intimidating and their self-presentation borderline offensive in a professional situation - as actual women, my younger colleagues would never dream of dressing in that way because they KNOW that dressing in that way would be a significant impediment to their career - to being appointed or promoted.

That this TW dresses in this way is a kind of "Fuck you" to all the other women in my field. Shades of masculine privilege ...

BitOfFun · 01/06/2019 20:17

Definitely, yes.

Ereshkigal · 01/06/2019 22:52

That this TW dresses in this way is a kind of "Fuck you" to all the other women in my field. Shades of masculine privilege ...

Very much sounds that way.

NotTerfNorCis · 02/06/2019 01:32

Dr Alicia Hendley has been demonised over the last few days. She turned gender critical after seeing how TRAs were reluctant to condemn JY. TRAs are condemning JY now, but they're refusing to see Hendley's point, which is that the JY case made her think critically about trans ideology for the first time.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3556762-Feminist-Current-I-supported-Trans-ideology-until-I-couldnt-any-more

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 02/06/2019 08:44

Because when it comes to it it they know that a woman is ‘them’ and not ‘us’. ‘We’ won’t forgive ‘them’ for not pledging complete allegiance. Interesting huh?

invinoveritaserum · 04/06/2019 08:47

Upz, in my opinion that person is making others an unwilling participant in their autogynephilia. I'm beginning to see it as a kind of sexual assault.

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Michelleoftheresistance · 04/06/2019 09:03

Agreed, Invino

In all the work places I've been in, a woman dressing unprofessionally and inappropriately (and in many areas in a way that could potentially appear offensive to colleagues and customers of some cultures and faiths) would be taken aside by their line manager and asked to observe a dress code.

Why do I think this would very likely be called transphobic if equally applied to a TW dressing inappropriately as in the case described above?