We've never believed in silencing debate....

[truthisarevolutionaryact]

says the Scottish trans alliance ... in an article explaining why Meghan Murphy should not have been allowed to speak to the Scottish parliament. Apparently they believe in "honest constructive discussions" - as long as people use their allowed language, adhere to their beliefs and accept their false views of history and reality.

It's frightening how little self awareness they have.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-people-and-feminists-should-be-working-together-thdfslkz3?shareToken=734ba5639a43cba8820da78716b8ad76

Exactly so, BlackForestCake ...

you describe that patriarchal dominance and control of this issue very well. It is odd that it is men who claim to be women who are exercising that dominance and control, isn't it?

How very "unwomanly" of them!

Thank you all. I have found all the responses helpful in assessing the ability of the gender-critical diaspora, as represented by this sample, to engage with respectful debate about an important clash of views.

“or deny my right to use the facilities society has decided I should have, such as my right to use the bathroom of my affirmed gender should I visit premises under your control?”

Which ‘society’ has decided this and when?

“But it won’t be respectful if, when speaking or writing about me, you call me, as a trans woman, ‘he’ “

I don’t think it’s respectful to demand others who don’t share your beliefs to collude with you in your beliefs.

“It is when you cross the line in imposing your personal beliefs on others who have a legitimate position in our society ”

Oh dear. Where to begin?

YOU are imposing your personal beliefs when you demand others deny scientific facts.

Adult human females have a legitimate position in our society and you don’t get to tell us how we must speak and behave in order that we be ALLOWED to debate the issues that concern US.

LangCleg: Quite frankly, couldn't give a single solitary shit if RobinMoiraWhite thinks I am not respectful. I think RobinMoiraWhite and the accompanying imperious demands RobinMoiraWhite are disrespectful. Perfectly happy with us each continuing to regard the other as disrespectful.

I'm in this for women's rights and child protection. If that's disrespectful, then I regard being disrespectful as a primary virtue.

This.
With bells on.

Thank you all. I have found all the responses helpful in assessing the ability of the gender-critical diaspora, as represented by this sample, to engage with respectful debate about an important clash of views.

“Diaspora” is an interesting choice of words in this context. I’m intrigued as to why you picked it?

Ladies, sorry to break this to you, but I think we’ve failed Robin’s test of whether we’re nice enough to be allowed opinions. You disrespectful harridans, you. Don’t you know that you don’t get to join the conversation until you’ve been told what you’re allowed to think?!

Diaspora? Why would you use that word here? I’m also intrigued as Sophocles is.

I mean, Robin has an interesting style of writing that is oh so familiar to us here... it’s so so similar to a certain other ‘contributor’ who is obsessed with telling us what to do and say.

I think we can have an era of respectful debate about whether God exists. obviously as a starting point you must say you believe in my god - otherwise you’re a hateful idiot. and PS I’ve met Andy Peters off the telly

Jeez robin. Pompous much 😂😂

an important clash of views.

There is no "important clash of views".

The position is this: the desires of autogynephilic male transitioners do not supersede the rights of children and women.

That is not a viewpoint, it is a statement of fact.

Diaspora another one intrigued by the intended meaning there... what ability does it have?

The only meaning I can pick out of it is "Fuck, what are the chances the gender critical view is absolutely everywhere?"

I met Antonio Fargas... beat that!

And now I will have to google what a diaspora is but my iPad knows it.

Will ask Siri

I'd be interested to know what Siri thinks...

... and does Siri shriek "GODWIN" ?

Thank you all. I have found all the responses helpful in assessing the ability of the gender-critical diaspora, as represented by this sample, to engage with respectful debate about an important clash of views

Oh Robin, you are a card

'Diaspora'? do you think we all used to live together on an island like the Amazons on Paradise island?

Afraid not Robin, we're just human beings, same as you.

Dispersion of ethnic communities is what Siri said. After a few goes to get him to understand what I was asking 🤣🤣🤣

I’d imagine that the use of “diaspora” is to float the concept that gender critical women are lone voices in the wilderness, isolated and shunned for our beliefs.

Arf Really not my experience IRL.

It’s also obviously strongly associated with Judaism, as the Jews were the original diaspora, which is interesting when we think about who gets compared to Nazis in this framing of the debate...another word getting the Humpty Dumpty treatment...

Its almost like Robin thinks each of us are the only GCer in the village, whereas all credible polling to date says that 80% of the village is GC. Projection much?

Hi Robin, you’re coming across a bit Theresa May here. You want to debate with us but you have red lines that us women are not allowed to cross. As Mrs May found out, it’s hard to discuss things when you’ve already made up your mind what the other side cannot discuss.

Policing what women can say before they can have a voice - seems a bit diasporate

‘Thank you all. I have found all the responses helpful in assessing the ability of the gender-critical diaspora, as represented by this sample, to engage with respectful debate about an important clash of views.’

I’ve been lurking on this board for two years and this post has made me break my silence.

You would be foolish to believe that your ‘sample’ is just a few articulate and well-informed regular posters on this board. There are many, many more of us reading, supporting and financially donating and doing our own little bits wherever we can.

to quote Frasier,
“Nothing is quite so irksome as affected erudition.”

I mean, Robin has an interesting style of writing that is oh so familiar to us here

I was just thinking that the use of big words in slightly wrong context and passive aggressive tone reminds me of Adrian Harrop.

I think it's probably more that a Walter Mitty type personality has very few ways of responding when challenged. For some reason the ranks of the opposition seem packed with them.

I adore the patronising/slightly threatening scolding with the distinctly peculiar word use...
Like we give any fucks these dudes approve.