Network Autism thinks gender id develops in foetus (title edited by MNHQ)

[NellieEllie]

This is profoundly disturbing. mobile.twitter.com/networkautism/status/1129320893208047616

For a conference that "gathered together some of the most highly respected professionals in the industry" there were many worrying tweets yesterday.

Just from your slide there are four incorrect statements.

Interesting to hear what they might be contributory factors to autism. Is it similarly based on dollops of woo. —I hope not—

“It may be hard to assess people who are non verbal (for gender dysphoria) but it is possible Dr James Barrett #AutismGender”

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It’s hard enough being autistic without being subjected to this abject bollocks.

And appalling punctuation too Thingybob.

I don't know where to start.

The first bullet point doesn't even make any sense. Where it says 'sexual orientation' they presumably mean 'biological sex'?

It's this sort of confounding, nonsensical conflating of language around sex, sexuality, personal identity etc that I find the most disturbing.

Who is doing this? Who are the individuals writing this guff? What are the NAS thinking?

The person or organisation giving this talk was, presumably, introduced as a professional talking about their area of expertise. But it!is nonsense. Not even just from a GC perspective. From ANY perspective. It is nonsense.

My head hurts.

Oh for god's sake. My 5 year old autistic son thinks tv characters are real - he thinks they're his friends. He does not need this anti-scientific bullshit to confuse him even further.

It's actually borderline abusive to just make up shitty lies and project them onto disabled people who can't defend themselves against it.

Fucking hell. Use apostrophes properly! They lost me at ‘Ones’.

oh dear god what are they doing?
This is horrific!
The development of gender identity before birth?
We must stop pregnant mums teaching their unborn baby gender stereotypes!

It's this sort of confounding, nonsensical conflating of language around sex, sexuality, personal identity etc that I find the most disturbing.

I agree, it makes my head hurt too and I'm not autistic. To be spouting this nonsense to autistic people who need information to be clear and unambiguous is disgusting.

The 'experts' couldn't even agree on the definition of the word 'sexuality'

And what the hell is 'human gender equipment'?

They got one out of 5 right. Well done to them for mentioning chromosomes and spelling it right. FFS.

And they were paying a lot of money to listen to this guff

I am filled with dispair, horror, anger, frustration ---how can the NAS be party to this harmful load of bollocks?!

The Twitter comments aren't having any of it.

That first slide must be the one used in PC Gul's training course

“It may be hard to assess people who are non verbal (for gender dysphoria) but it is possible Dr James Barrett #AutismGender”

WHAT THE FUCK??

If that's a real quote I hope there's a record.

What evidence is there for a baby in vitro having gender identity?

The world i going mad. 😢 The kids i work with everyday will be subject to this drivel. I work bloody hard to try to ensure my kids question the motives of people and companies, have an understanding of fact and fiction, but this, dressed up as fact, presented as reality undermines that work. A charity that supports people with autism thinks this is ok, is appropriate?
The non verbal statement is crap as well, you can be autistic and non verbal but very capable of sharing all your ideas and opinions, also being fully able to self determine.
I don't know whether to cry and shiut in anger these days. Perhaps bith 🤯🤯

What evidence is there for a baby in vitro having gender identity?

The evidence is that an expert, who is both autistic and trans, said it is the case.

Disagreeing with such a person is hateful, bigoted, transphobic, disabilist etc and needs reporting to the police as a hate crime (according to SM)

What evidence is there for a baby in vitro having gender identity?

Absolutely none. But we don’t need science or facts. We just need feelings.

Fuck. That. Shit.

Gender identity develops in utero. Fucking smashing. Say it enough times and the lie becomes the truth.

Oh wait.

A foetus does not know about gender, sex, identity, or any other bollocks. There is absolutely no scientific way of proving this utter nonsense. I hope whoever attended this 'conference' either challenged the presenter there and then or walked out.

Anything that falls outside of heterosexuality is a part of the LGBTQIA+ umbrella

I can't be the only one that finds this statement profoundly othering to the disparate groups being lumped together under that umbrella, surely? For all the statements that 'there is no such thing as 'normal' sexuality', grouping one set of people as 'heterosexual' and scooping up every other possible letter in a separate grouping just seems about as uninclusive as I can imagine.

Well here's what the NHS has to say on it:

What causes gender dysphoria?

Gender development is complex and there are many possible variations that cause a mismatch between a person’s biological sex and their gender identity, making the exact cause of gender dysphoria unclear.

Occasionally, the hormones that trigger the development of biological sex may not work properly on the brain, reproductive organs and genitals, causing differences between them. This may be caused by:

additional hormones in the mother’s system – possibly as a result of taking medication
the foetus’ insensitivity to the hormones, known as androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS) – when this happens, gender dysphoria may be caused by hormones not working properly in the womb
Gender dysphoria may also be the result of other rare conditions, such as:

congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) – where a high level of male hormones are produced in a female foetus. This causes the genitals to become more male in appearance and, in some cases, the baby may be thought to be biologically male when she is born.
intersex conditions – which cause babies to be born with the genitalia of both sexes (or ambiguous genitalia). Parents are recommended to wait until the child can choose their own gender identity before any surgery is carried out.

This is after it get's don telling us about sex being assigned at birth, and how gender non conformance in children is an early warning sign. Sooooo do we think this page was written by a doctor, or...

see here for full word salad

How can they give an account of "gender development" without a definition of "gender"?

Oh dear even the NHS is confusing intersex and gender dysphoria.