Important Standing For Women House of Lords Meeting today, "First Do No Harm - The ethics of transgender healthcare" hosted Lord Moonie, focus on the Duty of Care

[R0wantrees]

"Standing For Women is pleased to announce our meeting at the House of Lords, hosted by Dr Lord Moonie entitled "First Do No Harm : The ethics of transgender healthcare."
3.30 - 5pm 15th May 2019, House of Lords Committee Room 2A.

Our talks are:

"Towards compassionate science based medicine/care for gender questioning individuals."
Richard Byng GP and Professor of primary care medicine at the University of Plymouth

"Freedom to think: the need for thorough assessment in gender dysphoria"
Marcus Evans Psychoanalytic Psychotherapist, Member British Psychoanalytical Society and The Institute of Psychoanalysis

"Medical Harms of Gender Affirmative Therapy"
Michael K. Laidlaw, MD. Endocrinologist

"An Urgent Call to Action to Protect Young People and End Experimental Identity Medicine"
Leila Leoncavallo Kelsey Coalition consultant

"The Spread of an ideology and the targeting of children in UK schools"
Stephanie Davies-Arai Author, teacher trainer, parent coach and Founder of Transgender Trend

followed by a Q & A lead by Dr Lord Lewis Moonie

relevent theads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3586026-Lewis-Moonie-has-resigned-from-the-Labour-party-shock

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3583824-Let-your-MP-know-about-this-asap

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3583675-Foster-children-3-and-7-transitioning-Times-article

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3582478-Judge-over-rules-social-services-concerns

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3553935-Times-article-calls-to-end-transgender-experiment-on-children

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518188-BMJ-Prof-Carl-Heneghan-Evidence-Based-Medicine-Oxford-Panorama-Trans-Kids-Gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-Evidence-review-concludes-There-are-significant-problems

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3410257-BMJ-article-We-need-research-to-explore-the-interplays-between-gender-identity-mental-health-and-neurodevelopmental-problems-sexual-orientation-autogynephilia-and-unpalatable-gender-roles

Right then.. is there a drop box where these presentations could be made available? So that we can all get back to our MPs and SEND them these presentations. If they are too scared or uninterested to attend meetings we still need them to have access to these facts and to know that constituents are very concerned about them.

Can I say to anyone else feeling disheartened on this attendance; in my experience this is tediously absolutely par for the course on issues raised by women as a group to Parliament.. we just need to all keep going!!

Agreed and agreed, Chatty. I want to show my MP what the meeting was actually about.

Booklet now on Standing for Women's web-site. www.standingforwomen.com/

This has less to do with Penny Mordant and more to do with Ministers responsible for Health, Children & Safeguarding.

IMO one of the key issues has been that discussion has been restricted/ contained (likely by TRAs) to be a matter solely for 'Equalities'.

It seems to be very difficult to pull it out of being an 'equalities' issue, and into a wider sphere. I have been writing to my AMs and the Welsh Government about this, and even when I wrote to Kirsty Williams (education minister), I got a reply from the people who deal with Equalities/LGBT. I thought that the idea of schools teaching children that they can change sex, and reinforcing gender stereotypes with stuff like 'gender unicorns', as well as all the safeguarding issues, are very much things that the Education Minister should be concerned with. I don't know how we can get people like that to listen to our concerns.

There seems to be an idea amongst those who haven't given the issue much thought that it's nothing to do with most people, similar to the way gay marriage doesn't affect anyone who isn't gay.

It seems to be very difficult to pull it out of being an 'equalities' issue, and into a wider sphere. I have been writing to my AMs and the Welsh Government about this, and even when I wrote to Kirsty Williams (education minister), I got a reply from the people who deal with Equalities/LGBT.

YY this is a significant issue in my opinion.

LGBT+ lobbyists & Equalities do not have sufficient child development, education, health or Safeguarding expertise. Those who do are being prevented in various ways from engaging.
Shifting the focus from solely a 'rights' approach is important.

Agreed with the comments above: I think this is why we need to keep pushing for a Health and Social Care Select Committee Enquiry into the medical and hormonal and surgical (fertility preservation is surgical for young women) transing of kids. Who will be struggling with these issues for years physically and emotionally. Thus us a health and medical ethics and regulation issue. Doctors families and GNC kids themselves are being put under huge pressure. This should only be done under case by case licence under careful regulation. Not rushed through by beleaguered individual doctors with insufficient psychological support and evaluation.

There is a Lords Safeguarding Committee (I remember reading that Claude Knights who was CEO of Kidscape) was on it.

2018
Claude Knights (safeguarding expert recently retired after 15 years as head of Kidscape)
on sex offenders who transition and are afforded the opportunity to change their name and hide their history as a consequence & recent case of "Christopher Noble, 32, transitioned to Christyl Knight while behind bars for keeping a stash of over 4,000 vile pictures and videos of kids as young as six months old"

“Allowing these individuals to hide a secret past is a dangerous practice.”
“Anyone who’s fuelled the vile trade in indecent images of children and therefore contributed to their sexual abuse should not be allowed to change their name.”

Source: www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/

from thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325882-WEP-conference-questions-for-panel-of-trans-rights-advocating-barristers?pg=2

That’s excellent R0wan didn’t know about them- we should email them this info too- just feel the rights agenda is a closed shop at the moment with male sexual rights at the top of the tree and nobody in power giving any question to children’s right to an open future, to safeguarding, to having their own rights to a sex life including physical capacity for pleasure and of course to their own natural fertility. All of which are being medically, surgically and hormonally removed from them at an age when they can’t possibly consent to those implications and not even with certain success in actually resolving their dysphoria.

That said I have found more success with a rights based argument when peaking the woke- just by mentioning that some of these kids would likely otherwise become lesbian or gay adults without iatrogenic or social transition needed.

There was also a discussion about a Westminster committee specifically for young people's mental health.

I think @LangCleg may have information.

Its really worth having a look beyond Women & Equalities.

Many MPs have specific interests and knowledge. Approaching them or All Party committees (both Commons & Lords) and making clear where you think their expertise & focus is relevent may be a good way forward.

Any Ministers involved with the Department of Health should simply be asked if they are prepared to ignore these specific whistle blown Duty of Care concerns about children from experienced medical professionals.

If they are then it will be a matter of public record.

Likewise the committees which cover charity regulations. If they are prepared to ignore the whiste blown concerns about how charities (eg Mermaids GIRES Gendered Intelligence) are affecting public services Duty of Care of children.

Absolutely agree R0wan I feel like as soon as one MP takes it the whole thing will unravel. But MPs seem unwilling to poke the hornets’ nest. Maybe the Lords needs to take the initiative- they have nothing to lose at the ballot box.

I feel like as soon as one MP takes it the whole thing will unravel. But MPs seem unwilling to poke the hornets’ nest

The MPs/ Lords who decide to act on specific Duty of Care issues have a huge amount to gain.

Belief in the potential danger of the 'hornets' nests' has been effective but there is a great deal more to lose by ignoring the basis of this meeting especially.

There must be quite a few qualified medical doctors in both houses. I would imagine Lewis Moonie will be in touch with them.

I'm really cross that our most of elected representatives didn't deign to turn up. Full of hot air, repeating sound bites and latching on to the cause de jour while quite happy to give away the hard earned rights of women and girls because it's not the 'in thing'. Bar one or two exceptions they absolutely useless the lot of them.

cough Kids Company

I read something about them the other day, I suspect we may see something similar happening with TRAs in the future.

Kids Company, which helped troubled children in south London, was given £42million of public money, including £3million sanctioned by David Cameron just days before its collapse in 2015

But an inquiry found an ‘extraordinary catalogue of failures’ at the charity and now the Insolvency Service is trying to impose a six-year ban on Batmanghelidjh being a company director

At a preliminary court hearing yesterday, Batmanghelidjh argued she should escape blame because although she was ‘heavily involved’ in the charity, she was ‘not involved in the governance

Her solicitor, James Nicholls, complained that ‘stones are being thrown at her by the official receiver’, who has amassed 56 lever arch files of evidence, which he described as ‘a plethora of noise’.

[ ]Batmanghelidjh and the board directors might blame each other for the collapse, to which Deputy Insolvency and Companies Court Judge Middleton replied: ‘It does have the “cut-throat” feel about it doesn’t it?’

Oops link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7025093/Kids-Company-founder-urges-judge-spare-stress-court-case.html

I think it was probably too short notice for a lot of MPs.

Also if the labour whip was trying to bully Moonie into cancelling, maybe they were also bullying MPs into not attending.

I haven't had a chance to look properly at Harry's tweets or at the booklet yet. From what I've seen though, this was an important meeting.

When we're writing to MPs and ministers we shouldn't forget we can also write to the lords and ladies. You can write to any of them, it doesn't have to be someone local. I have mixed feelings about the house of lords. One the one hand they're unelected so not democratic, on the other hand they're unelected so they don't have to do the populist thing and can feel free to say 'are you on glue?' when the HoC send them batshit draft legislation.

Venice and Posie have been working their socks off! I am in awe of their ability to just plough straight through all the flung shit and get things done.

Here's to tenacious women [beer]

Procrastinator2 do you have a direct link? That just takes me to the home page and I can't find the booklet.

Apologies www.standingforwomen.com/product-page/duty-of-care-booklet

On the BBC News Website this morning and covered by Victoria Derbyshire

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47952076
NHS 'should not prescribe acne drug'

Patients unable to have sex are calling for the NHS to stop prescribing acne drug Roaccutane.

The parents of young people who have killed themselves and patients unable to have sex are calling for the NHS to stop prescribing acne drug Roaccutane.

Ed Henthorn said it had caused him erectile dysfunction, psychosis and suicidal thoughts.

and

Mr Jones, like other campaigners, believes the drug is too dangerous to be prescribed on the NHS.

"A minority get these terrible, terrible side-effects that affect them for the rest of their lives," he said.

"Should we just ignore this minority group? I think the risks are just too high."

Compare and contrast with the ongoing debate with in trans medicine. I find it particularly interesting that loss of sexual function is stressed here as a reason to ban the drug...

Compare and contrast with the ongoing debate with in trans medicine. I find it particularly interesting that loss of sexual function is stressed here as a reason to ban the drug...

I'm starting to think that a vast number of people believe that it's possible to change sex. They seem to believe what the trans lobby say about 'right' and 'wrong' puberty, and think that if children get these drugs early enough, they will actually change sex. I don't believe that most people think it's OK to sterilise children, and totally remove their potential for normal sexual function, before they have even reached puberty. I can't see how many people could be on board with this if they really understood what was being done to these children.

I don't think most people are on board; most people are unaware; and of those that say they are on board, then I don't think they can really have looked at all of the evidence. When balanced evidence is hard to come by and even forbidden, then those most susceptible won't even consider seeking it out.

Apologies if I have missed a key link somewhere but I was looking about on their site for a free PDF or weblink to the type of material shared at this meeting that I can send on to multiple MPs and Peers and which they can send on wherever they need to. Is this material available that way, does anyone know?

So is the booklet a paper copy? Bit confused.

When the government called for an inquiry in the massive increase in children/young people id'ing as trans, was that done through the women's and equalities ministry? I think people are right that we need to break this out towards health and education.

I couldn't ask my MP to go because I didn't see it in time. I expect a lot of people will have been in the same boat. But it is depressing that it is still only David TC Davis all on his tod.

I wonder what Tanni GT made of it. She hasn't tweeted anything.